Monday, 18 May 2015

The Beauty of the World

The world and the universe is an extremely beautiful place, and the more we understand about it the more beautiful does it appear. It is an immensely exciting experience to be born in the world, born in the universe, and look around you. it would be such a shame to blow it and end your life not having understood what there is to understand - Richard Dawkins

'Mad Dog' the Cannibal eats second Muslim in as many weeks

Human flesh on the menu in Nigerian restaurant 

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  1. Has Dawkins gone 'ga ga' in his old age? Perhaps he should stick to discussing evolution and criticising religion, rather than making ill-considered and vacuous remarks about aesthetics.

    I am reminded of Ligotti's comment from TCATHR which more accurately defines things as: “EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE IS MALIGNANTLY USELESS!”

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  2. As if to atone for their pragmatism, atheists, scientists, and all rational types seem to be bursting with chirpy optimism these days. In order to gain mainstream acceptance, movements seem to decide they must appear as normal as possible; even more normal than the average person, in fact.

    I'm reminded of the fight for gay rights... Suddenly, you have to erase the image of a deviant in leather, and replace it with 2 gents behind a white picket fence, sipping tea - even if your actual personality falls somewhere on the spectrum between these two extremes. The individual's personality and unique contribution is sacrificed to the greater cause.

    Not only does this approach give off a creepy Stepford Wives sort-of vibe, but it also does no service to their arguments. I agree wholeheartedly with both atheism and gay rights, but this level of conformity and pandering in these movements keeps me far away from both.

    ~ D

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  3. People like Dawkins know, they aren't going to sell books or become popular by denying life. I seriously doubt this is how he truly feels, he is just another sellout.

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    1. I've seen him speak in person and I got no indication he was bluffing. I think he is utterly sincere.

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  4. Is atheism a necessary premise for antinatalism? Perhaps we need to work harder at debunking theism and supernaturalism before trying to convince people of antinatalism.

    1. Supernatural entities do not exist.
    2. Humans have a metaphysical need for supernatural entities in order to justify their existence.
    3. Humans, therefore, have a need that cannot be fulfilled.
    4. We should not produce humans with a metaphysical need for supernatural entities.

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    1. No, there are Christian and Muslim Antinatalists.

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    2. Look up the Cathars, and the Shakers.

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    3. Aww, isn't it just SO cute!?

      http://faithreel.com/baby-born-without-a-nose-is-so-cute-hes-melting-peoples-hearts-all-over-the-world/


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    4. Not breeding is practical antinatalism and for as much as it is practiced it reduces all belief because there is nobody to believe if nobody is born. The antinatalism of people with a metaphysical belief system is held because they have a choice of whether to breed or not, which is a choice that they could not ask for, and it could only be presented with along with many other 'cultural' choices none of which they could prevent being offered to them.

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  5. Any thoughts on Nick Bostrom's work? Does anybody know if he has addressed philosophical pessimism and antinatalism?

    He appears to support the continuation of humanity into the indefinite future, probably because the fulfillment of his hopes for being reanimated from a cryogenic state (Bostrom is a member of Alcor Life Extension) depends upon humanity surviving to the point of being technologically advanced enough to reanimate him or at least upload his consciousness pattern into a computer.

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    1. He also believes me may well be part of a computer simulation. Well if so that is one evil nerd programmer I'd like to give a cosmic sized bashing. What a fucked up simulation. Makes me angry. Fucking demented computer geek from another dimension simulates fucked up world then watches us all suffer and die. Nice theory bostrom you futuristic asshole.

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  6. Sometimes I have so much hate that i want the world to be destroyed in nuclear hellfire.
    Or i summon a giant asteroid to hit the earth.

    Every time i open news-sites, i secretly hope to see an escalation between nations which are nuclear-power states (USA, Russia, China.....) but it doesn't happen...........

    And then i somehow calm down knowing that im just a ant under billions until the next outcome of hate and rage.

    What is this for a place, not knowing anything about the reason of our existence, left alone in a planet full of creatures which wants to survive at costs of other creatures, a neverending struggle for survival with horror and unimaginable agony for many creatures (at least for humans).

    I WANT ANSWERS, WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    1. It is very disturbing and sadly no answers are there. Isn't it also a comforting thought that if there are aliens out there they will probably only be interested in raping us all for resources or whatever. We have been truly and cruelly fucked over by this universe. Its evil. I just hope that death really is a space where we rest in peace. But who the fuck knows. The universe is a bewildering uncaring maddening nasty evil mindfuck of a place and maybe there s worse in store on the other side or you live again in a parallel universe in the fucking multiverse where u r tortured for fun by psychopathic giant koalas. Sweet dreams. Regards Richard Dorkins

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  7. This will soon happen in Europe as well, with all those nig... blacks coming to us from archaic backwards-driven countries. Hooray for mass immigration from poor third world countries with an abundance of aggressive young men!

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  8. I hope Richard Dawkins daughter gets struck and killed by lightning (in his view that amazing phenomenon of a wonderful universe no doubt). Might shut the idiot up about the wonder of the world and the great privelage to be in this shit factory.

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    1. I could never quite get to grips with the story of how Charles Darwin ceased to believe-apparently through the death of his daughter Anne Darwin at age 10 from scarlet fever. I don't know what he believed before Anne died, but after he was a much sadder man, and the head of a much sadder household. I doubt he reached depths of calling the earth 'this shit factory'. and if it was shit-as-life that Darwin dealt with then he did a lot of cataloging of the infinite variety and shades the shit came in, a process which we ignore at our peril.

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  9. Just the little bit I know about science (Evolution, biology, and the vastness of the universe.) makes me feel deeply pessimistic!! I can't imagine being optimistic. Much less a chirpy-optimistic person.

    I suppose the whole thing would hinge on what people see as beautiful.

    Once when my sister asks why I am so pessimistic I told her, "All life eats life just to survive." She responded with something about the amazing and beautiful design of nature by God.... Having recently seen an online video of a baboon eating a gazelle alive I can only say ー God has bad aesthetics!! Aesthetics that almost made me vomit....

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    1. Your sister is deluded. She wants to be in the happy brigade so she won't listen to the harsh reality that nature is not wonderful at all. You are right not to be chirpy. And if someone tells you that you should be happy because you don't have it as bad as other people. Tell them " that doesn't make me any happier that I'm not in a wheelchair or whatever like some other poor chap. Sounds to me like you are an insensitive asshole who lacks empathy and gets a happy boost when he sees some fucked up disease riddled fellow human being. Go fuck yourself. "

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  10. Following on from the cannabilism theme and the beauty (horror) of the world, two true tales taken from the Faber book of reportage if I may.
    1. The seige of Jerusalem AD 70. .... Famine gnawed at her vitals and the fire of rage was even fiercer than famine. So driven by fury and want she committed a crime against nature. Seizing her child, an infant at the breast, she cried, ' My poor baby, why should I keep you alive in this world of war and famine? Even if we live till the Romans come they will make slaves of us and anyway hunger will get us before slavery does and the rebels are crueller than both. Come, be food for me...With these words she killed her son, roasted the body, swallowed half of it and stored the rest in a safe place. But the rebels were on to her at once, smelling roast meat, and threatening to kill her instantly if she did not produce it. She assured them she had saved them a share and revealed the remains of her child. Seized with horror....they slunk away not daring to eat though they were reluctant to yield even this food to the mother.
    2. Effects of Elizabethan policy in Ireland 1602
    ...saw a most horrible spectacle of three children all eating and gnawing with their teeth the entrails of their dead mother upon whose flesh they had fed twenty days past...and many can witness that some old women used to make a fire in the fields luring children on cold mornings to warm themselves, then killing and eating them.

    Plenty more real life tales of the horrors of the world in this book. Recommended reading for one Dickless Dorkins.

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  11. Sweet Poetry O Pus31 May 2015 at 06:15

    La vie est belle!

    I suggest you people go and listen to Imelda May's "It's good to be alive!". Who needs Schopenhauer when you've got Imelda May?

    Seriously though, what is Dawkins on about? His comment implies that he has understood life. He hasn't. He argues for his view of life with all the subtlety of an advertisement.

    If we were in Dante's inferno, in Tartarus, the lowest circle thereof, Dawkins would still be uttering the same Panglossian platitudes, singing paeans of praise extolling the wonders of Lucifer's creation, sent into an orgasmic frenzy and bursting at the seams with semen at the sight of the spectacle of human suffering.

    Dawkins enjoins us to take a look around us and soak up the world's sinister splendor, to let it wash over us, like a tidal wave of shit.

    Tell that to someone who has just been buried alive.

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  12. Hi Karl. I like your blog and have read through all your posts.

    I have a theory I've been pondering for a long time and was wondering if you might share a bit about your upbringing, specifically the formative adolescent years.

    My theory is that all us pessimists, realists, misanthropes, or whatever you want to call it suffer from an inability of self-delusion. I always wondered if it was tied to one's formative childhood/adolescent years. My mother and sister are "normal" optimists, but my biological father was clearly not. My adolescence was not so happy with family turmoil and a great deal of social isolation. I made a friend or two here or there, but would just lose interest. I've always felt like I learned everything I needed to know about human nature by 7th grade between my parents' divorce, the cruelness of cliques and pubescent adolescents, and the obligatory school visit to the Holocaust Museum.

    I have really tried to be "normal" since I grew up primarily with who can perhaps be called an overly optimistic mother. I went to college and got a good job and worked 60-90 hour weeks. I later went on to graduate school for 2 masters. I tried multiple churches, multiple meditation retreats with no speaking for 10 days, read most of the books on happiness, subconscious, new age, bible, dhammapada, various spiritual books, "life improvement" type seminars, dating different girls, therapists, medication, psychedelics, etc. But I can't seem to develop any self delusion and change my shit colored glasses.

    I think misanthropy is a logical response to life experience. Any other rose-colored perspective is merely ignorance or self-delusion. I wonder if people are just shielded from reality longer in their formative years, so they're able to develop this self-protective self-delusion. Perhaps I suffer from confirmation bias, but most scientists say pessimists have a more accurate view of reality anyway. I guess I don't need to argue my perspective here.

    I hope this isn't too personal a question. The few people I've been honest with about my true perspective don't seem capable of understanding. So it'd really help if you or anyone else can share a bit about how you came to this view. My theory is that my formative years were like the oven of my personality and psyche. This perspective is baked in, and no matter what I do, I can't delude myself into thinking anything is worthwhile.

    Thanks.

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    1. Nobody has answered so far, so… Why not Zoidberg?

      I have no idea how I came to have the views that I have.

      I had a tendency to withdraw even in kindergarten. Many years later this practically led me to long years of isolation, which seems to be unbreakable now. Since I have almost always craved intimacy, the painful tension between desire and reality probably had a lot to do with shaping my views.

      But it took a while to get here. In my teens (and early twenties?) I was very interested in paranormal phenomena, UFOs, reincarnation, the soul, and whatnot. I also used to have more hope – in other words, it was easier to delude myself with images of a future life worth living. But reality (my life, anyway) just did not live up to either those fantastic stories, or my silly hopes.

      And here I am: pessimistic, negative, sometimes bitter, sometimes almost cheerful, but always missing the same thing. I think it's just harder for me to ignore reality nowadays, with so many empty days left behind.

      Sorry, anonymous, it's not much help.

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  13. I am an Antinatalist also. I have a pretty poor Vision.Maybe you all are happy when the Sky is blue, you ride your bicycle and ride through the "beautiful green Woods".
    Well I do not care. Life cannot lie in my face. I don't know how it Looks, but it sounds, smells and tastes ugly.

    My Religion teacher sometimes called life a gift, sometimes an Exam. Well, I was not good in Logical aguing at that Age. But it cannot be both of it. And she never called life a Penalty, but this was the result.

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  14. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/healthy-24-year-old-granted-right-to-die-in-belgium/ar-AAckxLg

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  15. hi Karl, I have enjoyed reading through your blog you're very articulate and it's a very interesting subject and thought provoking. I came across this blog that I thought you might find interesting if you haven't come across it already. here is the link http://rantswithintheundeadgod.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/divine-creation-as-gods-self-destruction.html?m=1

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  16. found another interesting blog you might be interested in here is the link http://rantswithintheundeadgod.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/divine-creation-as-gods-self-destruction.html?m=1

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  17. Dear Karl. I hope you dont stop writing in your blog. Greetings from Paraguay

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  18. Hi, I'm also an anti-natalist, but I do find beauty in some areas of nature, specifically space. It's so peaceful, all the nebulae, suspended in the blackness, and the pretty little white lights twinkling in the atmosphere. Makes for a fun night out.

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