Sunday, 11 January 2015

Paris attacks

A couple points:

I'm really disgusted by those who imply that the cartoonists somehow 'brought it on themselves'. That attitude is revolting and plays into the hands of the attackers. Anyone who responds to satire, however extreme, with murder is an asshole.

Secondly, the response of most Europeans seems to be that ultimately the attacks are nothing to worry about from the bigger strategic point of view, but I think it's worth pointing out that it's always fanatical elites who make and determine the course of History: Christians in the first three centuries, Nazis, Bolsheviks, etc. 98% of people are docile and do nothing; it's the 2% that count. These guys mean business and have to be taken seriously.

47 comments:

  1. Karl,

    The Islamist terrorists are winning, and the coordinated attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and kosher shop will be just one more success. One more step to our gutless surrender. Al-Qaeda in Yemen didn’t attack Charlie Hebdo because we are all Charlie Hebdo. The opposite. It sent in the brothers Cherif and Said Kouachi because Charlie Hebdo was almost alone.

    Are we all Charlie?

    Bullshit... Absolute self-serving rubish. The sell-outs are everywhere and will grow stronger.

    The West’s political leaders have already told Muslim leaders they agree that mocking Islam is a sin, and have even passed laws — in France, too — making it unlawful.

    They have attacked the very few journalists and politicians who dared warn against the Islamist threat. Some now back Muslim demands for a boycott of Israel or at least greater recognition for the terrorists who run large parts of Palestinian territory.

    Anything for peace, even if it means submission.

    And for all the protests this past week, submission is what you must expect.

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    1. I agree with every word, Nicholas. What really discourages and angers me is the amount of people essentially saying "It's the west's fault" with the usual sanctimonious bilge about the unique crimes of western civilisation, because, as you know, all those outside the continents are saints and have never laid a hand on each other or had designs on conquering or exploiting anyone else.

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    2. Karl, pointing out another's faults when ours are on our plate is dodging the issues only we are able to address.

      What's so disagreeable now about the idea behind the saying:
      "Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean"?

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    3. Ah, so you're of the 'It's the West's fault' brigade. I'm not entirely surprised, I admit. The main issue being dodged is the inherently violent and totalitarian nature of Islam. Try addressing that on its own terms, and its more than abundant history of violence, oppression, misogyny etc.

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    4. Since when has mankind needed islamic teachings for violence and oppression? And what did the shooting of Charlie Hebdo have to with misoginy? Yes, islamic tradition enshrines totalitarian thought. And so does the bible, that orders man to spread christianity "to the four corners of the Earth" and, in the jewish part of which, to stone rebellious sons to death. And ... wait, didn't we know all this already? That organised religion is by definition authoritarian?

      Despite this, we're to make no issue of support for Jewish and Islamic states?

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    5. Sorry, given that the current issue is about the Islamic threat to Europe I have no interest in pointless flattening into moral equivalence and cheap Israel bashing.

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    6. It's all tied together: the shooter of the kosher supermarket had brought up Israel's sectarian colonialism as a reason for his actions. We might not agree with their linking of Western freedom of expression and Western imperialism, but for those who go through crash courses to become un-Western, it's all claims of superiority from the same rival. With islam, a have-not acquires something that haves want to deny him, making islam more valuable a payback the more it you're after it.

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    7. Yes, yes, I get the message. It's all the West's and Israel's fault, no responsibility to the hands that pulled the trigger. If thinking that keeps you happy, good for you.

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    8. How do you manage to leap from my saying that islam isn't the prime motivator, to nobody's position that the shooters themselves are excusable?

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    9. As I said, seriously sick of the 'blame the west' position. I see that over on someone else's blog you make your agenda perfectly clear:
      'The shooters are dead; focusing on their personal guilt just buries this highlight of a European phenomenon, in which hundreds of my fellow citizens with African roots convert to an Asian war cult, with them."

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    10. The shooters were oppressive assholes. There. I never denied that though. Yet, you're not complaining about their condemnation; you're annoyed because instead of rallying behind islamophobia, "my agenda" places the threat where you couldn't give a damn.

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    11. Yes, we disagree about the causes.You want to play the race and western imperialism cards and I disagree. End of story.

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    12. EVIList TV! Enjoy!

      I applaud anything which reduces the number of people.

      "Death solves all problems --- no person, no problem." -- Joseph Stalin (famous antinatalist philosopher)philosophy

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    13. Islamaphobia is a myth because fear of Islam is not irrational. Read the Quran and study the hadith/sunnah to see for yourself.

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  2. From a mainstream point of view, this phenomenon is indeed "nothing to worry about" -- just like birth defects, overpopulation or any eventuality that doesn't yet noticeably reduce what the everyman can acquire.

    But isn't that docility of the mainstream what we antinatalists also count on for making an impact with our small number?

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    1. Absolutely not. As I've said elsewhere a friend who worked in China told me that the natives there didn't give a fuck about the lack of democracy or anything else. The one thing they did care greatly about was the one-child policy, and their collective discontent forced the might Chinese Communist Policy to begin the process of loosening of restrictions. Says it all. People don't care what happens in life, as long as it is allowed to continue.

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    2. Correction: 'the mighty Chinese Communist Party'

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  3. The question, of course, is exactly how these fanatics are to be contained. The French (and American) intelligence services intercepted all the electronic communications they could – and still were unable to predict and unable to prevent the Paris rampage. The Euro-American military alliance invaded assorted Islamic nations and only managed to fuck things up even worse. You cannot expect the Western governments to do anything but screw things up in the coming years – and such bureaucratic bungling will only intensify future violence.

    I agree that something needs to be done – but it needs to be done on the individual level. An urban survivalist movement might be a viable strategy in an era of totalitarian incompetence.

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  4. I am no fan of radical Islam, but using free speech to defend the cartoons is laughable. France does not have free speech. Do a mass printing of Holocaust revisionism and see what happens.

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    1. The evidence against it is astounding, holocaust revisionism is for retards like inmendham. Ask Jean Amery if his suffering was just a delusion, you Arbeiterkind.

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    2. You missed the point entirely, it's about the free speech double standard, not what is true or not. After all we're talking about satire here. Is everything printed in these anti-Islam cartoon factual? Can it be proven?

      http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2010/02/tales-of-holohoax-and-denmarks-anti.html


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  5. Lol, what happened to the antinatalism. You guys used to STAND for your pessimism. You used to respond to all political events with a call for universal extermination. Now you're just a bunch of cranky bigots. Did your friend Mr. Mean-Spirited, a spousal abuse advocate who I warned you about two fucking years ago(http://saynotolife.blogspot.com/2013/11/china-eases-one-child-only-policy.html?showComment=1385308499830#c6691117200829651345) lead you to this place? Or was it that stalwart editor of a white power magazine, Anne Sterzinger?

    Go back to being Care Bears villains. It's what you were GOOD at.

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    2. To be a bit of a nitpicker when only slightly doing better: that was one month and a broad three weeks over one fucking year ago.

      I did my heinous deed for today.

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    3. You know how it is for us antinatalists. We spend all day abusing our spouses and hanging out with the white power crowd – and then we turn on the tele hoping to relax with a wholesome show about the dancing, prancing Care Bears – and, all of a sudden, we find the channels filled with stuff about a kerfuffle over some sketches in Gay Paris. Seems that a bunch of followers of this here Prophet guy, Moo-ham-add, demonstrated just how hopeless & worthless human beings truly are. It’s happened; we antinatalists have finally been made redundant.

      Can we at least get the Care Bears back?

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    4. I'd be more concerned that Karl still doesn't know who you are http://saynotolife.blogspot.com/2013/11/china-eases-one-child-only-policy.html?showComment=1385314107987#c4262214479048524729

      It's been one year, one month, and a broad three weeks! You need to promote yourself better. Leverage your personal brand.

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    5. Wait. Tell me, please. What is the difference, between an Antinatalist and a pro-lifer....?!

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    6. Hey Karl: Do you know who he is yet? What is your opinion on women needing correction? What about his calls for deaths squads? Inquiring minds want to know.

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    7. So are you gonna answer me or are you gonna keep letting your pet neo nazi edgelord answer for you? Because I can ignore him as long as I want.

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  6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzusSqcotDw Reza Aslan Slams Bill Maher for Facile Arguments’ About Muslim Violence "In the month that we've talking about ISIS and their terrible actions in Iraq and Siria, Saudi Arabia, our closest ally, has beheaded 19 people. Nobody seems to care about that because Saudi Arabia sort of preserves our national interest" Clap clap clap

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    1. Saudi Arabia's beheadings are also Islamic violence though.

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  7. The real damnation of human nature isn't the absurd mind-cancer of Islam itself. That could be defeated. It's the appeaser idiots who blame everything else BUT the 7th century pedophile-warlord's death cult, despite not actually believing in it. That is the icing on the cake of human inadequacy. You can see enough of it in the comments here.

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    1. Hey hey hey if anyone is a death cult here...

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    2. ... it's not the Antinatalists, who want to prevent unnecessary deaths by not creating unnecessary lives.

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  8. The antinatalist community is dying. Most antinatalists are converting to pronatalism and a few others have commited suicide. Very few of you left.
    Time to give up.

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    1. Actually most have migrated to Facebook, where there are now thousands of them, but nice try anyway.

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  9. I bet there were antinatalist Muslims in some time and place. e.g. people who discovered or reinvented Gnosticism.

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  10. One of the most basic lessons in western societies is that the best way to get somebody to something is to put the word 'don't' in front of the description of the action. So when Islam comes to the developed west in force with it's polygamy and shariah courts etc and one of it's major injunctions is 'don't portray the prophet' we will have trouble working out which is the red rag and which is the bull? The unforgiving nature of Islam (it was built on militarism, lest we forget, and militarism rarely repents/seeks forgiveness-least of all in defeat) or the western iconoclasm where anything put on a pedestal will be knocked off, any instruction to not do something will be specifically broken. When we add to the mix the world surplus of arms sloshing around in the west, and in third world countries as contraband, sufficient to break down all law and order then I am not surprised that the Charlie Hebdo journalists died for their iconoclasm/rule breaking as much as I am not surprised at the African christian churches burned down in retribution after the Paris attacks. I am not that interested in fault or blame, but I note that some processes for human beings are going to catastrophic and compound misunderstanding.

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  11. Cartoon the kid got arrested for: parody of Charlie Hebdo cover that mocked Egyptian Islamists after an army massacre

    https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/557628098716663808

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    1. The amount of fast trials for "apologia of terrorism" is already around 120, some of them minors, now since the attacks. Anyone in France who in public makes statements along the lines of "serves them right" can face jail time as well as prohibitive fines. These trials of intention go even further than persecuting trolls and even target those who fail to show sympathy with the victims. It seems now, that the powers of the French republic have decided that either you "are Charlie" or you are a terrorist for acting like Charlie.

      For a religion to call the shots in a democratic state, it needs a popular majority and islam has that nowhere in Europe -- nor does it dominate the upper echelons, but quite the contrary. The French crackdown on "rebellious" free speech in the wake of the attacks should remind us that the authoritarian threat still comes from the authorities, "the 2% that actually count".

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    2. Yes, the French reaction is quite amazing and shocking. "Free Speech" indeed. I take it all back:-)

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  12. You're a retard if you think Islam is no thread to Europe. Antinatalism does not mean that you don't care about culture anymore. It means making sure the highest culture on earth, Europa, continues to exist. Even Japan's great authors only exist because they read western literature. It's that good. I'm biased towards Europe, just like the greatest aphorist of the 20th century: Davila. The latter is also one of the greatest minds to ever have lived. All hail Europa.

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    1. Lol nope bro

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    2. Hey Karl? Remember all that time I spent pointing out the far-right elements of anti-natalism, and all that time you fuckers spent denying it, pretending the evidence wasn't obvious, and that you didn't read the blogs on your own sidebars?

      Well what's this then? This comment right above me? How committed are you to denying all this?

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    3. Clearly you think I am responsible for the opinions of others. Obviously I am not. AN is a non-political ethical philosophy. The political opinions of ANs is none of my concern, and for the record they cover the entire spectrum from my own experience. Because you can't refute its logic you are forced to resort to smearing. Sadly predictable. Over and out.

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  13. Did you hear the news? Another antinatalist commited suicide.

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