This is so freakish it reminds me of...humanity. The ones who proclaim "life is sacred" and who are committed to mass producing vast quantities of "sacred" humanity are the same ones causing extreme suffering by failing to carefully consider the wellbeing of those they are creating. It's too bad we can't mass produce common sense. Life is sacred only when it is in balance, in harmony with nature. When it gets out of balance, when we mass produce humanity and overestimate our value, when we do harm rather than good to our fellow creatures, then it is no longer sacred but rather an abomination.
You guys suffer from a mental illness called depression. Depression is not normal. It's not normal to regret being born. It's not normal to hate existence. This is a mental illness.
Argumentum ad hominem. Argumentum ad populum.
How could we not be depressed living in such a bloody, unfair, monstrous world? How do you wake up in a world of pain and not feel the revulsion, the horror of being here both for yourself and your fellow creatures. My first thoughts in the morning are always with the suffering animals in the world and the horror that I can't save them. Depression might not be "normal", yes it's normal for humanity to shut their eyes and ears to all the horror of existence, but depression is the righteous response. Something is not right with the soul if it is happy in a world like this.
I am so unhappy.Yes I am drowning in depression because of the reality all aroundme.
Psychiatric horseshit. 'Mental illness' doesn't exist, only irrational thoughts and actions. Which; come to think of it, perfectly describe organic so-called 'life' and all of its advocates.
It's not about depression. Antinatalism can be defended with arguments. I am not depressed, and I don't need to be depressed in order to defend Antinatalism. The only thing you need to be an Antinatalist is some empathy.
Dear Anon,Life by definition is never ever in balance.Its never sacred.Always in disharmony & discord.One person alive is one too many.Karl -Have you heard of Irvine Welsh-writes some very antinatalist stuff.“Choose a life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television. Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers... Choose DSY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit crushing game shows, stucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away in the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself, choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that?” Harsh
Anon of the 16th - the implications of 'other'ing what is not statistically normal (an absolutely meaningless abstraction wrt the experience of the individual) into a pathology, a disease, are horrific. And obvious, if you had even the slightest capacity for critical reflection. That the majority accept and perpetuate protective attitudes like that is one of the most powerful reasons not to add humans to the world to carry that cruelty on - towards this era's inevitable next massacres, innumerable humiliations and imprisonments. The social world is a machine operating on people largely from above their control, it has run away and cannot be steered by individuals. It is inhuman. Sorry for tangent - I can only desperately hope that you("mental illness" anon) live in a way isolated enough not to amplify that general attitude, and that you never raise children. This is too much to hope for. Reader, new poster. Appreciate your posts Karl.
If you guys don't learn to refute simple arguments like of this anon above, antinatalism won't get nowhere. They can say that instead of avoiding procreation we could just treat people's depression.
Logical fallacies aren't Harry Potter spells, you have to explain how they apply.
People are depressed because the reality is filthy & cruel. Do you wanna know what's a mental ailment?Producing billions of kids & not giving a damn as to what would become of them!Harsh
Reality is harsh!
"If, the day after Cain killed Abel, Adam had been told that a few centuries later in Paris some seven or eight hundred thousand people would be piled up all together in one single enclosed space of some twelve square miles, would he have been able to conceive that such a multitude could possibly live side by side? Wouldn't he have had an even more terrifying idea of the monstrous crimes likely to be committed? We must always keep this in mind to console ourselves for the abuses arising from such extraordinary conglomerations of human beings." - Chamfort
Even if you want to dismiss our thoughts as a mental illness, the cure rates for "depression" are abysmal. And suicide is so terrifying that in order to get up the nerve to attempt it, I have to get so drunk that even the police can catch me at it. What better solution for a "depressive" can you come up with than for such a creature to never be born? And how can you know any given child will not be a depressive? You can't. And even if it isn't it could be a quadruplegic (although how you could be a non-"depressed" quadruplecgic is beyond me). Depression is not an abnormal condition, it's a coping mechanism of the brain.
...have you ever been grilled by a psychologist who refuses to accept the validity of philosophical reasons for sadness? The one I was forced to see after the cops caught me running into traffic keeps telling me "that's a question for the philosophers. This is about your health." OK, buddy, how are you going to help me deal less painfully with the universe when you won't even accept the existential horrors of the thing as a "valid" actor upon my psyche?
I've been forced to doctor after doctor including psychologists, sad to say 99 percent of them are idiots. I don't know how these people we call doctors can possibly be so impossibly stupid. The problem with psychologists is that they believe the problem is with you and never recognize the problem is the world we live in, the barbaric things that happen to us and everybody we care about. They try to force you to adapt to a world that no reasonable person could accept. Have you read Two Arms and a Head... http://www.2arms1head.com/ It is just fantastic, when I need someone who understands I read this book because this is a man who understood life.
Beam down the condoms, Scotty
Beam down the deathray,Scotty!(lets go the whole hog)Harsh.
The radical enviromentalist Derrick Jensen, once wrote, 'Despair is an appropriate response to a desperate situation.' Once I read it, it became a lot easier.
We should learn to conform with suffering. It's a part of life.
Planted axiom: Because suffering is natural, one should not be judged for imposing it on the unborn.
Sure,please conform with suffering & while you are at it,you can have that of mine & the other ANs too.We dont want to do anything with suffering or life.But hey,why use two words when they both mean the same.Harsh.
Someone who has already had children can become an antinatalist too?
Yes! Jim Crawford is one such person. http://antinatalism.blogspot.in/But I guess it causes guilt to constantly weigh inside you. I don't know if there are more people who can live with it.
Of course. Anyone is welcome to become an antinatalist.
Karl seriously, don't you have any moment of pleasure and joy in your life? Are you just crying and complaining of life all the time? Is your life just misery?I feel really sorry for you.
Oh I'm fine, thanks for asking. This is my monthly steam-blowing therapy;-)