Tuesday, 2 July 2013

Seven dead kids but still wants more




"The experience of losing seven children left her devastated." - But not so devastated as to cease adding more to the pile of kiddy corpses.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2351393/Three-parent-embryo-saved-agony-losing-seven-children-says-campaigner-carried-DNA-mutation.html#ixzz2XdgUwpmq

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  1. Bioethics is a joke. The only real questions are: is it possible? Is someone willing to pay for it? A yes to both of those questions equals all of the bioethics we will ever have.

    The article says that this procedure will 'help' 10 kids per year! 10!! If that doesn't tell you there's big money behind this law I don't know what will.

    From splicing genes in order to procreate (which will of course lead to untold other technologies and consequences) to the new Samsung phone that stops playing a video when your eyes look away and can be answered by swiping your hands over it. Yep. The human race sure is advancing.

    This reminds me of a recent Time magazine article which said that the average baby born today will live to the age of 130. I don't envy those kids. I don't particularly want to live past the age of 50.

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    1. "Bioethics is a joke. The only real questions are: is it possible? Is someone willing to pay for it? A yes to both of those questions equals all of the bioethics we will ever have."

      Brilliant summation, CP. And it applies to all of science as well, hence nuclear bombs etc.

      And yeah, a planet of 10 billion + centenarians. Sounds like a formula for peace and love:-)

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    2. The collective dementia could make it quite forgetful, and maybe a more peaceable and brief period in the evolution of the planet than it might seem from here.

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  2. Karl,very germane article-this world & the humans are hopeless.

    Recently a girl,pretty nice in all respects,very well read & all, had started to get really close to me,she wanted me keep sprouting romantic nonsense to her,a few days back Ive had enough of it & told her about my antinatalist views,first she tried to change my world view,when she failed in doing that ,she turned hostile & has since gone incommunicado.
    I say good riddance.
    Why is it that humans in general & girls in particular cant accept the truth?In a word-instinct.It trumps reason every time.

    There is no hope for humans.People will never wear T-shirts which proclaim them to be an antinatalist.

    But be of good cheer,not all is gloom & doom ,dear friend,soon the blessed oblivion will engulf us both:-)

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    1. I admire your honesty with that girl, Harsh. No point in deceiving her; it would only lead to disaster and more grief later on. Well done!

      And yes, I suppose the only consolation is that life won't go on forever:-)

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    2. Ha, I still have a wifebeater that I took a magic marker to when I was 21 and scrawled "PLEASE QUIT BREEDING." I had never heard the term antinatalist before (lord amighty, that was well nigh 20 years ago), but if I had I'm sure I would have used it. What the world needs now is more nihilist punk rockers and less hippies in mohawks, but that's always been my opinion.

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    3. I found the term 'antinatalism' when i googled for 'stop breeding'. Didn't someone write that 5 years ago there was nearly nothing to be found about it on the Internet?

      It was depressing when i realised that being a male AN accomplishes nothing; convince females is the only way.

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    4. harsh tripathi, IMO, one of the main reasons females tend to not be able to "handle" antinatalism is because we are, collectively, brainwashed from birth to be obsessed with motherhood, babies, etc.

      If you go around the world and talk to random people, you will hear stuff like "Motherhood is the most important role of a woman" and "It's odd if a woman doesn't want babies" even in places that are deemed as enlightened.

      If you want more information about the kind of socialization that females experience, I would recommend looking into radical feminism.

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  3. "To have the option of knowing that your child could live a life free of these devastating diseases and live without this cruel life is something incredible."

    Imagine if there were a way to prevent your child from experiencing any illness, pain, grief, or death...

    That would be amazing!


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    1. So amazing it already exists: contraception!

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    2. "live without this cruel life"
      Does no one realize that this is bullshit?

      You can only NOT live, without cruel life!

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  4. To quote the 'Horse Rotorvator':

    ...This world is in pain,
    And should be put down...'

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  5. "'It's peculiar to me,' she said, 'that everybody pays so much attention to living and so little to dying. Why are these high-powered scientists always screwing around trying to prolong life instead of finding pleasant ways to end it? There must be a hell of a lot of people in the world like me - who want to die but haven't got the guts.'"

    From "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?", by Horace McCoy

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  6. "The experience of losing seven children left HER devastated"- but wasn't it more devastating for the children. If children must be born don't they deserve to at least be born to a mother who would not subject seven children to a cruel fate? What child would desire such a mum?

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    1. Anon, since when are children entitled to "desiring" mums? The very phrase "losing seven children" sounds so much like losing seven bucks because the stock market crashed.

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  7. The point is, Most children like to live, even those who have serious problems. Only a minority would prefer never had been born.

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    1. You miss the point entirely. Why should those children be conceived in the first place? By your logic, the whole planet should be filled to bursting with non-stop procreation.

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    2. Because life is good for MOST people and everyone has the right to procreate.

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    3. There is no guarantee that any child you may produce will be glad to be here, so the morally prudential choice is non-procreation.

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  8. But that was life: Nobody got a guided tour to their own theme park. You had to hop on the rides as they presented themselves, never knowing whether you would like the one you were in line for...or if the bastard was going to make you throw up your corn dog and your cotton candy all over the place.”
    ― J.R. Ward

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  9. This is a story of mounting devastation, and trying to add up who is the most devastated and why could easily descend into victim-persecutor-rescuer thinking, which is a bad idea. Which of us really wants to be led astray by their emotions? Certainly the woman wanting more children after losing seven ought to learn better limits of expectation from her grief, and adopt a child or become an eco-warrior or something such for all the children the earth denied her. Not that that would be 'compensation'. But technology has come along, piggy-backed on the warped ethics of modern capitalism and given her the choice of more grief, and The Daily Mail has reported it. In my world the first thing to go would be the agenda of The Daily Mail, but what to do when the biggest most powerful mutant on the planet is Hell-bent on perpetuating itself through ever more powerful means?

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    1. Put sterilisers in the water. It's the only answer:-)

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  10. I think some ANs make the mistake of thinking of current birth control methods as a magic bullet. All have failure rates and sometimes side effects. Vascetomies in particular can have very painful, life changing complications. And as Sister Y has said herself, only women truly have "reproductive freedom". If all of this dooms me to a life of celibacy, so be it!

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    1. Bravo! brother-my thoughts exactly!

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    2. Unknown, you are 100% correct that celibacy is the best way to go. (Either that or just don't have penile-vaginal sex. There are many ways to have sex that don't require that kind of penetration) I'm asexual which makes it easier for me to be celibate, but I'd be celibate even if I were sexual.

      I will have to disagree with the belief that women truly have reproductive freedom. I'm a female and if a male decides to rape me and I get pregnant, I'm fucked if I can't get an abortion. That is hardly freedom and it's one of the main reasons I'll probably get sterilized someday.

      No one really has reproductive freedom unless they are sterile.

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  11. They say you only live once.
    I say…
    OH THANK GOD!!!!!
    But it’s still one too many.

    “Morning!!! It’s a new day!!!”
    “Yep, mourning. It’s another day.”

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  12. "The multiplication of our kind borders on the obscene; the duty to love them, on the preposterous."
    -E.M. Cioran :-)

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  13. Hi Karl,

    This is a private message, although feel free to post it. I wanted to thank you for putting forth an excellent blog, being a fair minded and willing listener to us posters providing feedback. For standing your ground when you deem it necessary to do so. And last for keeping a dialog going, a damn interesting one at that. I hope that calling your blog entertaining, from one angle, is not offensive, because it is meant to be a compliment!

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    1. Thanks, Michael. You're too kind!

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  14. Everyone's gotta procreate,eh?

    Few years back I read this news(2010?)-World Population:7 Billion.

    I said to myself-Oh, yeah, this is really something to celebrate.

    The newspapers had the usual moronic articles "The more, the merrier", wrote one imbecile. A new mum commented that she didn't care at all about overpopulation. Her new baby means everything to her, world overpopulation means nothing. I guess she didn't care that her kid will be competing for dwindling resources when it grows up.

    Oh, well. It's good for business though. Gotta keep that slave labour cheap.

    Human beings are really much more scary than any Halloween zombie or boogeyman could ever be.

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    1. Right on, Harsh. The more, the messier!

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  15. Just for your information, DerivedEnergy is out of prison. Yay!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJXlOC8LO2c

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    1. Thanks for that! Glad to see he hasn't softened:-)

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  16. The "need to breed" has got to be some kind of innate mental illness. It has to be. There's no other rational reason people can experience nightmarish shit and then go on to believe that not only is breeding a good idea but that nothing bad will happen to their progeny.

    Notice that people will make all KINDS of justifications in order to breed. They will ignore any and all rational arguments against breeding. They sound like drug addicts, honestly. "Yes, my child will be raped, murdered, and thrown face down in a ditch, but I NEED A CHILD."

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