Friday, 19 July 2013

A Comment that sums it all up nicely


From a commenter on Sister Y's blog:

"So this might seem like an overly intellectual reason to be depressed, but it does relate to everyday life, and I probably have aspergers which often leads to abstract fixations.

We see the ideas of evopsych popularized all over the internet in memes (itself coined by Dawkins), PUA, friendzone, foreveralone, niceguy, alpha, beta, omega. Pop-Nietzsche seems to have triumphed with the whole idea that any morality (aka being a nice guy) is a sign of slave weakness, and that only cruelty and domination can win in this harsh Darwinian world. Evil is sexy.

Its useless trying to refute evopsych. If one accepts the premises of evolution, natural and sexual selection, game theory, genetics, cognitive psychology, the conclusions of EP seem to logically follow. But even if EP is bunk, and just an ideology to justify American society, so what? Nature or Nurture, I'll still have to live with it my lifetime. For better or worse, I will live and die under American capitalist society. And the human nature described by EP, perfectly describes the world I live in. War for money, sex, power. Nature red in tooth and claw. Robots for the selfish gene. And if Pinker is right, and the Blank Slate is a myth, and human nature is indeed hardwired and not plastic, then we're stuck with this world for eternity.

The highest ideal of Darwinism is to be a Genghis Khan, Tucker Max, Don Juan, playboy, Fratboy, Hiphop gangsta, pick up artist. The lowest of the low is to be a Foreveralone like me. Human emotions, desires, loves are nothing but the random firings of neurons and chemical imbalances driven by the rational calculus of gene-fitness maximinzation.
What kind of world is this to live in?

I'd love nothing more than to destroy this capsule that holds my parents' selfish genes. I resent them furiously for imposing that burden on me. I hate humanity, mammals, animals, life, biology, matter, and ultimately existence itself. Ruled by a fat, blind, uncaring scientist God, staring into the void with dead empty eyes. All men are created unequal. Defined by race, gender, ability, looks, strength, economics, IQ, EQ etc. The Law of Difference. And evolution acts upon these inequalities, weeding out the unfit. Life unfit for life. Life is struggle. Even physics which seems so cold, rational, lifeless, abstract, fleshless, is about domination. F=MA The Stronger Force imposes its' "will" on the weaker force.

Life is both too rational (in that everything is determined by the selfish calculations of DNA) and too irrational (in that all human behavior is determined by evolved Dionysian impulses).

I can't find any meaning whatsoever in a cruel world like this. How can I just accept existence as a gene-machine? Fight to be the biggest cruelest ape on a mountain of skulls. The law of evolution, is that cruelty, sadism, evil, domination, brutality, and raw power always triumph.

While intellectually I accept Darwinism, I understand why an honest Christian (not a hypocritcal Priest or Evangelical) would want to rage against the cruel world of Darwinism. "Turn the other cheek and love thy neighbor" is a losing strategy in evolutionary game theory. OF course all worldviews accept the evils of the world, it just depends who you want to blame- Satan, Original Sin, Genes, Patriarchy, Feminism, Statism, Capitalism, Religion, Racism, Big Government Liberalism, etc etc They're all arguing about WHY the world sucks, that the world sucks, no one can deny.

How can robot-capsules for selfish DNA ever find meaning in this brutal cutthroat competitive universe?

Mitchel Heisman summed it all up about how Judeo-Christian Slave Morality is fundamentally a revolt against the biological nature of existence, and can only be completed in the rejection of bios itself."

Can't argue with any of that. Anyone who declares they love life, or even their own life, is obliged to acknowledge that the system that produces it, that is it, is devoid of any natural justice, purpose or morality. By giving the thumbs-up to life you're giving the thumbs-up to the mindless grinding machine that's just going to spit you out once it's done with you. Life worship is akin to Cthulhu worship.

And for those who have kids or are planning to, at some level they must be aware that they are creating a hostage to fortune, someone who will be both a victim and a perpetrator of the machine that lacks all empathy and care for its mutations. Stockholm Syndrome writ large.



88 comments:

  1. Sister Y is by far the greatest AN writer in the blogosphere (in my opinion).

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  2. I just realized the irony of me saying that Sister Y is the "best" at writing about AN material :\

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    2. Yep, you just perpetrated competition again, turning the wheel once more.

      But anyway... what you are going to do right?

      It´s just your opinion, right?

      Cheers =)

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  3. Funny that atheists consider themselves very rational and usually criticise theists for their irrational belief in God. But their blind belief in nature and DNA-worship is so irrational as theists beliefs, if not more.

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  4. "The law of evolution, is that cruelty, sadism, evil, domination, brutality, and raw power always triumph."

    Someone hasn't read The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex by Charles Darwin.

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    1. Can you please explain how the book contradicts the line you quoted? I'm reading through the wikipedia page for the book but haven't been able to understand your objection. Thanks.

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    2. Can you please explain how the book contradicts the line you quoted? I'm reading through the wikipedia page for the book but haven't been able to understand your objection. Thanks.

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  5. A real real gem... I've noticed she has not posted at her blog since February. Also, According to Amazon, the publication of her book Every Cradle Is A Grave has been delayed a year to summer of 2014. Are you in personal contact with her, Karl? Anything wrong?

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    1. Not personally, but I gather she's completely immersed the writing of the book, as she wants it to be as perfect as possible, hence the non-activity on the blog.

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    2. I do hope Sister Y hasn't immersed the writing of her book! =D

      Sister Y's a fantastic writer no doubt, but these lines were posted as a comment in her 1 Feb 2013 post.

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    3. I think the observation that Genghis Khan is the most "successful" man itself makes an undeniable statement. If that doesn't make someone look at success -- and the world -- differently ... it's depressing.

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  6. I see some popular misconceptions in this post, like Darwinism or Neo-Darwinism teaches some specific morals, like might is right, the purpose of life is breeding, life is a struggle of everyone against everyone, etc.

    This is false. Neo-Darwinism purports to be a scientific description, not a set of moral prescriptions.

    Also PUA or 'game theory' is just bunk. There is nothing scientific about PUA. If you want to be successful with women, just acting like a jerk won't help you.

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    1. I think it's fair to say the commenter is refering to the ethos of extroversion, pushiness, 'success', and 'achievement' which is prevalent in the western world. And to be fair, the term 'evolutionary advantage' is used as an unassumedly positive term as is the conjunction of 'reproduction' with 'evolutionary success'.

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    2. The dating mind: Evolutionary psychology and the emerging science of human courtship

      http://www.epjournal.net/articles/the-dating-mind-evolutionary-psychology-and-the-emerging-science-of-human-courtship/

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    3. BIOTRUTHS

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  7. A First Sign of the Beginning of Understanding is the Wish to Die
    -Kafka

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  8. "Anyone who declares they love life, or even their own life, is obliged to acknowledge that the system that produces it, that is it, is devoid of any natural justice, purpose or morality"

    This is such a brilliant post I'm glad I had the opportunity to read it. With no exaggeration I was born at the absolute bottom of the hierarchy. Facially deformed with brain damage due to a genetic misstep my life was predetermined from the very womb to be bitter and excruciating. To quote from a most favourite movie "Never Let Me Go"...."None of you will do anything except live the life that has already been set out for you." I know in my heart that I am an innocent creature (notice how I use the word creature. I have never been able to self identify as human, my genetic defects are so severe I don't feel the same species as 'human'). But I know I was born and remain an innocent creature. How could I not be? My brain has always been sooo slow, so naïve, so innocent. I could not have deserved this fate. Nor could the "beautiful" people who get such a kick out of torturing me deserve their pleasant life.

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    1. Dear Anon-soon death will release us from this hell.

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    2. Anon,

      I sympathize with your problems - and with everyone else´s.

      To share a bit of mine - I know am passing through a phase of obsessive-manic disorder in which I can barely stand being around people normally. Thing is, I need to do stuff, work, queue in lines (how I hate lines with all passion) and generally just go through waves and growing waves of these 'things' that we call people, this mass of stuff. I´m afraid of them, and I hate the way they invade our life, our personal space, but I have to continually be a part of it, if not only because I need things to survive - I need to buy food, to buy medicine, to to work, etc. I finally gave in and am taking some medicine, some anxyolitics and anti-depressants, with all my fear that those medicines can act up even more on my already difficult life, if I ever leave them (which I intend to). Before sleeping, I HAVE to write a lot of the interactions I had through the day, or else I can´t sleep - and writing them is difficult, painstaking and painful activity, which also deprives me of the sleep I should be having.

      This is just one of my problems, and I just want to make someone take theirs a little more lightly if they see it here - it may help. And also, it helps to know, in some degree, that we are not the only ones suffering.

      Harsh, yes, death will soon release us. May it come quick and swift and painless as possible.

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    3. Beautiful piece, Karl.

      Just beautiful.

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    4. harsh, I would do it now if it would not cause exponential suffering to my already suffering elderly mother. Do you understand where I am coming from?

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    5. Thanks, Shadow. Don't worry, you'll always find comrades-in-arms here.

      Unknown, same for you, my friend. And yes, I certainly understand your dilemma with your mother.

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    6. Hey Unknown,I empathize with you entirely as regards your mum.
      I also would end it all in a heartbeat if I were sure that I would not end up with a botched attempt.

      Shadow-I have had clinical depression for a long time now,& I too cant stand people.Unfortunately I have a job which involves interacting with people all the time-so I suffer tremendously.Only after I'm off the job do I feel a little relaxed,thankfully I never married,so I stay all alone.
      As Karl said,please write here whenever you feel like it.

      Karl,Shadow,Unknown-Let us tell you something nice- yesterday when I was in the office,feeling dreadful,because of the obnoxious people all around me,I could get through the day only because I kept reminding myself that after I knock off I would able to read some new comments by the like minded folks here & may be, write a little myself.

      Thanks for the blog Karl.


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    7. No problem, Harsh. Glad to provide an outlet and thanks for your contributions!

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    8. Yeah, Karl and Harsh and the others, I feel at home as well!

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  9. Hi everyone...wanted to start off by saying you all are a bright spot in my day as I so look forward to reading your comments. I would love to read an antinatalist take on the "royal baby" born in England. To me the "royal" bit is all meaningless. A baby has been born. Another one of us to be subject to the laws of nature, which will be as indifferent to him as to any of us. Don't get me wrong I am not wishing this child any harm. But to me a "royal" status should be conferred based upon the demonstration of particularly great virtue, rather than genes. To base it simply upon the genes one has inherited, is meaningless. For instance, Ofelia in the movie Pan's Labyrinth is a royal. She was born from a royal father but that in itself was not enough. In the movie she had to sacrifice herself to death for her brother's sake in order to become the princess (in the afterlife). So whilst I do respect Will, Kate and baby, I cannot consider them to be royals in my book, just ordinary people.

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    1. Well, I was in a pub in London last night and someone stood up to propose a toast to the new baby and was completely ignored, so there you go:-)

      And however much of a pampered life the child may lead, he is not to be envied for having been born...

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    2. Yeah, for me, I don't consider anyone "royal" because even those who do things I like I just associate it with my ego. I used to like helping people, then I realized it was because I got a high off it. I wasn't doing any ultimate good or anything, just temporarily satisfying my insatiable ego.

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  10. Rather than resist our end,Mainländer concludes, we will come to see that “the knowledge that life is worthless is the flower of all human wisdom.” Elsewhere the philosopher states, “Life is hell, and the sweet still night of absolute death is the annihilation of hell.”

    As for being royal-the baby that deserves that title is one that's never forced to be born.

    Harsh

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  11. While I normally don't read blogs, I periodically revisit Karl's blog and read the posts/comments to assure myself that I'm not insane. I thank all of you - knowing that there are others out there who think similarly is a great moral support to me.

    Karl, I know you're a big reader - do you like Leopardi? His monumental journal "Zibaldone" was finally released in English (both in hefty book form and Kindle form). Leopardi is one of the few thinkers/writers whom antinatalists will find a kindred soul in.

    Harsh, those quotes from Mainlander are excellent. Now if only someone would translate his works into English :-)

    --E.M. Mouse

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    1. E.M., thanks for the reminder about Leopardi. Wow, 2,500 pages of the purest, undiluted pessimism you'll find anywhere, all for 30 quid.

      Thanks also for the nice words:-)

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  12. Great piece. Really says it all (or almost all of it). There is always more to say on the matter :)

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    1. For as long as the kiddies keep being squeezed out....

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  13. “Real misanthropes are not found in solitude, but in the world; since it is experience of life, and not philosophy, which produces real hatred of mankind.”
    ― Giacomo Leopardi

    Harsh

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  14. Celia Green (Advice to Clever Children) argues that we hate reality because we are born into a world that we have little or no knowledge of, or control over. This hatred is displaced on to other human beings. Our interest in other people, fundamentally sadistic, is rationalised as altruism.

    More or less harsh?

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    1. Celia Green is weird crazy person who begs for money online for pointless projects.

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    2. Crazy persons need to be encouraged.

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  15. I don't deny there is too much suffering in the world. But instead of giving up on life and stopping procreation we could just fix this world. In a few centuries we are going to be able to abolish suffering.

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    1. Anon,with all due respect,we have had plenty of time,millennia really,to set things right.
      But nothing happened,nothing changed-I tell you the truth-there's no hope whatsoever.We would continue to have wars,starvation,exploitation.
      Suffering is way too deeply ingrained in our social, mental, cultural & biological fabric, and is destined to remain that way.
      Whats the solution?Wait for a few centuries?Never mind the billions who'd be suffering during the gestation period?
      No-lets just cease to exist & be done with it .
      Harsh

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    2. Not to mention fix the world to whom? I´m already pushing 30 and haven´t seen anything in my life that points to the cessation of suffering other than death. I´m currently mostly unemployed, no money, no hope. People have their dreams crushed in the name of a glorious future. Question is, who are we building this future for?

      Certainly not for me.

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    3. Anonymous, there is no way to abolish suffering. If you look at the fundamental mechanism of life, it is one that functions by creating deprivation and then satisfying that deprivation. That's the very nature.

      There is a guy named Inmendham on YouTube. He has a bunch of videos that break all this stuff down. Watch the ones titled "Dialogue with Inmendham" and "Dialogue #2 with Inmendham" posted by Professoranton. It's long but well worth the watch. He explains in great detail what I mentioned above.

      Karl -- what are your thoughts on Inmendham? Are you familiar with him?

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    4. Lindsey,

      Yeah, we all know about Inmnendham.

      Are you new around these parts? ;)

      Cheers

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    5. Hey Shadow,

      I just started recently to look online for similar philosophies as myself after having thought myself crazy for many years. I'm happy and find comfort in blogs like this and users like Inmendham.

      Though it's still tough because it all does seem very hopeless, like there really isn't a solution.

      Best,
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    6. Hey Shadow,

      I just started recently to look online for similar philosophies as mine after having thought myself crazy for many years. I'm happy and find comfort in blogs like this and users like Inmendham.

      Though it's still tough because it all does seem very hopeless, like there really isn't a solution.

      Best,
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    7. " In a few centuries we are going to be able to abolish suffering."

      Absurd and baseless statement. Extreme suffering has been part of the fabric of this world since it's beginning and will be part of life until the final living being on this planet draws it's last breath. Let's make that happen sooner rather than later. I think of the animals being skinned alive and vivisected and screaming and I think...oh god...not one more millisecond of this. Do the means justify the ends....even if all suffering were to be abolished (which will never happen?). This planet, this race, humanity, have existed thousands and thousands of years too long. It is only causing pain. Pain to your fellow humans and pain to your fellow beings (animals). Not another millisecond, just let us die, that is my prayer

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    8. Lindsey,

      That´s all great, pretty much the same path as everyone else.

      I think you may like my blog as well.

      Cheers!

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    9. Anon,

      That is also my prayer.

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    10. Lindsey, inmendham is fine on AN but he has a load of Pollyanna social reform shit I've no interest in. He's also become extremely arrogant over the past year or so.

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    11. Karl could be my spokesman.

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    12. Meaning we agree in many topics. This one (Inmendham´s) is just an example.

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    13. Fixing the world for the sake of our species. We can't exterminate human race. That's immoral.

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  16. Hi to everyone. I've been reading stuff from here for about 6 months and you all seem to be smart and well educated young people (I'm not a native english speaker so I'm sorry if I may have some grammar mistakes.) I'm 29, a female, and I already feel as I'm 229 years old due to the country I live in and all the bad and traumatic expiiences I've gone through - I feel physically and mentally ill with no mental strenth to continue to "fight". :) I've always been considered a brilliant student and an inovator in the mainstream of this "life" and that of course is one of the main reasons I was laughed at, betrayed and literally tortured by my surroundings so many times. And here it is - I think there is a great possibility that I'll die soon, I'm very weak, indeed. I wanted to ask if some of you have read a book called "Gnosis"? http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_mouravieff.htm Here you have all three volumes of it. I'm really interested what you think of these serious esoteric studyings and approaches to this wilderness of life we live in. Best regards.

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  17. Best of luck fixing the world. Trouble is none of us here now will be around to see whether it got fixed - or stayed fixed. No end of suffering in the meantime.

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  18. Karl, have you ever seen the movie Fight Club? Something about that movie makes me think of Cioran in action.

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  19. Karl, I sent this yesterday, but it didn't come through.

    R. Crumb's guru, the only one worth following:

    Mr. Natural

    Nina Paley's explanation of life:

    Sheep Souls

    This is a great blog.

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    1. The sheep-man frame alone is priceless. Thanks, Scurvy!

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  20. Karl why won't you publish the cartoons? Nina Paley and Crumb are great! You've accepted other posts of mine under various names. I've been living with Janus, my sister, for the last few months and she reccomended your blog and some others. They have helped me through a tough time.

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    1. On holidays with limited net access, hence delay in posting.

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  21. Karl, you probably do have Asperger's. I've been diagnosed with it and we seem to think very much alike. I think there's a greal deal I could learn from you. Do you have anything like Facebook where we could discuss in real time? Only if you'd want to of course.

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    1. Thanks, David, but I don't have Asperger's, just good taste:-)

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  22. Sorry, I somehow missed this the first time through: I'd like to speak with whoever it was that wrote that comment.

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  23. First of all I am glad that somebody puts some intelligence into their feelings, and both into writing. The intelligence should give feelings a shape they otherwise lack, and allows the shape to change, but contemplating the loss of choice will be draining,and EVOPSYCH does seem to be a theory of everything, with no gaps in it, no room for anyone to intellectually exit from it, self respect and choice intact. Unless they make their exit total, which seems to be lacking in intelligence but will make for some sense of choice.

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  24. I think Jesus used the phrase"Kingdom of Heaven" as a metaphor for non-existence.

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  25. But procreation is natural. It's an error to try to moralize nature.

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    1. Anon,
      Its true that its very difficult to resist the siren song which lulls billions into procreating .
      Its highly seductive in nature.
      I am an avowed anti-natalist ,but let me confess,sometimes my mind plays tricks on me.
      Just last night I had this weird dream.
      In the dream,I was with this very beautiful girl(I know her in real life too ) & the two of us were in a country club & we were planning to get married & I wanted to have a daughter,who'd look just like her.
      In the dream,she was very nice to me.We were playing golf together & she agreed with all I said.
      Then, we went to sort of a party ,one attended by only the filthy rich & had a very nice time & all,had a million waiters to serve us.

      After I woke up I felt a very strong temptation to call her up( what was my objective?Dunno.Make the dream come true?)

      Before I could do that I realized that I was out of food ,so I went out to get some & what do I see-an emaciated stray dog with a bloody nose.Th brutal reality of the world hit home.

      Another bit of reality? In real life,she hardly ever agrees with me on anything , is a veritable floozy & very domineering.


      Do I feel any natural inclination to have kids with her or any other gal, after factoring in the reality & not merely basing the decision on insubstantial whims & fancies?

      In a word-no.Nothing wonderful about perpetuating this nightmare which is sometimes disguised as a dream to keep the humanity trapped forever.

      Harsh.

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    2. Nature is wild, untamed and brutal and yes, nature does not abide by moral standards. But we are humans with hearts and brains and we are responsible for making moral judgements. We are responsible for the harms that we cause others both directly and indirectly. We are responsible for making decisions based on the here-and-now reality of the world as well as our best projections of the future (which is looking incredibly grim). If we live our lives according to what is "natural" then chaos will be the result, because we will be operating only on natural impulses, which tend to be violent, self-serving and irrational. Our higher selves are the versions of ourselves that repress the natural inclinations, hard as that is, and seek to abide by moral standards. While my natural self might love to create a child it is my higher self that refuses.

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    3. Anon, that's naturalistic fallacy. If you are saying we can't moralize nature, then we should allow rape, pedophilia,murder etc... All of this is natural.
      Just because it's natural it doesn't make it valid or justified.

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    4. 'Procreation is natural and should not be moralised'. Really? If you were talking about animals then they breed in season (when we let them live in their natural environment long enough) and many have rituals to attract one another, the rituals don't make their procreation moral, but will make it in some tacit way consensual and be proof of some sort of sentience. When humans breed there is no single season, they breed all the time, and our morality is that the planet will be there to sustain however many of us there are. Animals are moral by comparison, for not having egos big enough to swallow planets that have no 'off' setting.

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  26. Sister Y wrote:

    'How can robot-capsules for selfish DNA ever find meaning in this brutal cutthroat competitive universe?'

    And the BBC published the following on 03 08 2013:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23529849

    This article states that 'Instead, it pays to be co-operative...'. Why on earth do these ivory tower academics confuse selfish self-interest with cooperation?

    Conviction and self-interest always go hand in hand.

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  27. Although I don't believe we can decisively cure the ills of human nature (the psychology, that is) with anything short of detailed genetic engineering*, I can't quite agree that Social Darwinism, 'Game', survival of the fittest (in the dog eat dog sense) are valid - especially in the long run.

    History shows that the nations whose governments and cultures treat their own citizens the least badly end up more prosperous, innovative and wealthy. Pre-WW1, those nations were the UK, France, the Low Countries, and the "Anglophone" nations (esp the USA, New Zealand, etc). Even Germany was well on its way to becoming a democracy when the war broke out. Even within the USA, states that treated racial minorities, women, and gays the least badly tended to be more prosperous. All of this is because highly unjust societies tend to squelch new ideas and the people who come up with them. They will flee to the more open and tolerant areas. In short, areas that are very much oppressive toward the 'disfavores' do not get away with it.

    As for social Darwinism itself, J. Wes Ulm has a long article about this "What Darwin Did Not Mean: How Social Darwinism Fails Us". Here he outlines how few-holds-barred dog-eat-dog competition actually weakens a nation rather than strengthens it relative to nations with more cooperative cultures.

    *If a technology can do tremendous good, it can also do tremendous evil. Given the way human nature is, and how many things about the future have to fall EXACTLY into place to accomplish techno-utopia (i.e. genetically reengineering human nature itself), I don't have high hopes for any super-moral transhuman to come about, at least not to a sufficiently significant extent.

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    1. Your problem is thinking that new ideas and the generation of things are good in any way. Regardless of what happens--someone suffers. In this; there is only one solition: Nothingness.

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  28. And so I leave this world, where the heart must either break or turn to lead.

    Harsh.

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    1. Wait... are you leaving LEAVING?

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    2. Do you mean, you are going to face the void?

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    3. Goodbye sweet prince.

      R.I.P. Harsh (6 August 2013 07:28)

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    4. Thanks for your concern- Shadow,GR,I'd do it in a heartbeat but I'm still stuck here as I find that the life instinct is very difficult to override.May be one of these day I would.
      In a way I'm dead already-I am like a zombie who goes through the motions as he cant help it.
      The only good thing about my life is that I get to read Karl's blog & other AN blogs.

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    5. We're all pretty much in the same boat, Harsh. You've got friends and comrades here at least.

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    6. Thanks for the kind words,Karl.They mean a lot to me :-)
      Harsh

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  29. That's for real? Maybe he isn't being serious.

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  30. Karl, why do you care about suffering if sentience has no value?

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    1. Good question. To be honest, my AN these days is more motivated by a sense of futility and pointlessness than anything else. It's more 'What's the fucking point of having kids?' than the suffering angle. I've definitely become a passive nihilist. People who have kids can't provide good reasons for doing so and nor can I, which is why I don't have any!

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    2. So, you no longer think that having kids is immoral?

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    3. I think it's a thoughtless action, inspired by almost entirely selfish motives without due calculation of the consequences. However, I'm also aware that AN will always be a minority position, so am endeavouring not to get so worked up about it as before. Che sera, sera.

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  31. Using large or obscure words and questionable metaphors does not make you a philosopher.

    You are inferior and you pretend that it is because of the influence of random chance on factors entirely out of your control - because this is easier than improving yourself.

    The fact is that you are almost ENTIRELY responsible for your level of success in life.

    All day, every day, you are making choices... You may remain unaware of it, thoughtless of the choices you make, but the choices ARE being made nonetheless... Many choices appear (to those unwilling to think) to be insignificant, but the cumulative effect of these choices multiply over time.

    The small choices being made all day every day are responsible for men becoming obese, broke, lonely, boring, weak, stupid - or not!

    The idea that success is strictly a function of genetic luck comes from lazy men who know nothing of either genetics or success... In fact, never has there been a society where men can achieve success so independently of genetic quality or family status.

    Those who claim that they fail because they are "good" are actually failing because they are weak, lazy and/or afraid. If your "goodness" makes you a failure, you must reexamine - it is not goodness.

    Your "philosophy" is just a venting of jealousy and resentment of those who have the guts to keep trying, keep working, keep improving.

    Don't get me wrong - many men started with an advantage... That advantage comes from things that they learned in childhood, mostly things that started them with a good self-image, setting them on a path of progress. A self-image that allows a man to see himself as one who can overcome adversity, solve problems, achieve progress, rather than a self-image of powerlessness, or worse, entitlement. However, as an adult one must be aware of himself and his choices - perhaps his parents failed, but that does not mean that he cannot succeed. But you cannot become successful until you accept that you are responsible for your life (and therefore have the power to change it). Many times, the man who had a bad start can achieve greater success because he develops awareness and makes a habit of overcoming obstacles - within and without.

    Until you accept that YOU are responsible for your life, you will never be successful... If you have any genuine intellectual prowess, and real desire for success, you will realize that this is not a negative message because you will be able to see that you have infinitely more POWER over your life than you ever suspected!

    Please note that you are totally unequipped to consider deeper questions than this... You make references to men and books that you clearly do not understand... You speak of how the world should or shouldn't be when you have NO basis for judgment... You surround yourself with people who are equally stunted so you will feel smart... Without further exploration and experience, without gaining real wisdom from trials, accomplishments and elders, your ideas about deeper meaning and purpose are worthless. Learn to walk before you attempt to run. (Be careful - once you start down the path of wisdom, you cannot go back to blissful ignorance)

    I understand because I've been through much of this myself, and I'm by no means complete... (For the real Man, there IS no end - education and improvement are never ending... So while one must ever scrutinize his motivations, goals and progress, every once in a while he has to cut himself a little slack.)

    The things of value in life can be reduced to experience... Decide what experiences you desire from life, what you consider important, and let that be your purpose that you work towards in incremental goals while networking with like-minded people at different levels of success.

    Or, if you choose to be lazy, stop spouting off pseudointellectual excuses and JUST BE LAZY.

    Whichever path you choose, I wish you success.

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    1. Stop trying. You feel too much. Stop the attempt to convince others to buy in--when they're cashing out in droves. Success is an illusion that you're a winner--when you're really only the last one out the door before closing. That's not a win; that's not getting the fuck out before Last Call. Success is bullshit and should be punished away; so that all that remains is Oblivion.

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  32. Shut up, fucko.

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