Wednesday, 30 January 2013

Parents driven to eat Children from hunger


Just a quick post to demonstrate the kind of world we live in and the possiblities pronatalists expose their progeny to. Famine in North Korea has reached such proportions that there are now cases of children being eaten by their parents:

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2269094/North-Korean-parents-eat-children-driven-mad-hunger-famine-hit-pariah-state.html?ICO=most_read_module

Yes, this is the magical world full of wondrous possibilities that breeders give the thumbs-up to and are happy to perpetuate due to their ignorance and egotism.

Notice also the contrast between the main material and the stories in the sidebar. This is the world we live in. Ain't it great! Also, in the comments we see many 'I would never do that no matter what the circumstances!' remarks, foolish, of course, given that History provides ample evidence that people will do anything to anyone in order to survive a few minutes longer.

Of course, in spite of this, we'll still see the same old excuses trotted out, the same old, 'this is just unfortunate', 'this can be fixed', etc etc. Pronatalists, as we all know, believe, just like Peter Pan, that if they close their eyes and wish hard enough everything will be ok. Try telling that to those Korean children.

(Thanks to Victor for bringing this horrendous story to my attention. His fuller post can be read here:

http://njvictor712.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/north-korea-and-its-famine.html )

33 comments:

  1. Cannibalism is a good way to reduce population. But why are the hundreds of thousands of North Koreans in prison-camps not being eaten ? If they are going to die from starvation/malnutrition (after not much labour-input to the System) why not eat them while they still have some flesh on their bones ?

    Better still, new-born babies are very succulent, so why not export them them to the more luxurious restaurants of the world, in Tokyo, Paris, London, New York and Shanghai ? That would solve two problems at once.

    Indeed, it could solve the world's problems "at a stroke" if we could ditch our hypocrisy and enjoy locally-produced, organic baby-steaks. For "the world's problems" (i.e. problems caused by humans) are always problems of scale, and if we want a viable planet, we need to reduce human population to less than a thousandth of its current appalling size.

    Baby-farming could Save The World. If it came to a choice between baby-farming and antinatalism/contraception, the latter might prove just as unpopular as it is now.

    Yours ever,

    'Napoleon'.

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    1. Auban, I see your sarcasm, and indeed think you're (unfortunately) quite right! This blog post http://antinatalism.blogspot.in/2012/07/greetings-it-seems-like-im-always.html makes the same point employing similar play of words.

      "So, yeah, carving lampshades out of human back skin is definitely to be frowned on, but certainly NOT to the extent that we stop supplying the lampshade makers with ever-fresh supplies of new skin."

      Indeed, while there are many things considered taboo and appalling by pro-natalists (and in agreement with us lot), they'll still consider them justifiable (NOT in agreement with us) if that's the only way for 'survival', or for 'life to go on' -- thus making antinatalism the greatest taboo.

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    2. An excellent post, and the auban's modest proposal is also repulsively entertaining (that's a compliment, to be clear)... People are SO HORRIFIED BY THE HORRIBLE FINGS, but only as far as piety demands. Actually ending human suffering isn't something they want deep down, because ending suffering means the obvious, and everyone still imagines they'll get some sort of proxy immortality so long as someone, somewhere, is still living, however hellishly. Someone else's misery as one's own imaginary immortality=justification for letting it all go on. Adorable.

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    3. So true, Ann. 'But the show must go on somehow!' is the response of many to Antinatalism. As you say, it's their way of imagining their lives are of some significance by thinking they're part of some Cosmic Soap Opera, regardless of the crappy plot lines and the fact that everyone dies in the end:-)

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  2. I wasn't being *entirely* ironic; nor was the great anglo-Irish Dean Swift when he published his 'Modest Proposal' for easing the famine in Ireland, at that time an island with twice its present population. If you eat meat, sometimes even fed on other meat if not on crops grown on perfectly good vegetable-producing land, why not eat human meat ?

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    1. Auban, yes, indeed, I too thought the same -- even before seeing your post. Like I was telling Karl yesterday, killing people isn't unconditionally horrible. In any case eating dead people -- nauseating though I personally find it -- isn't evil.

      My own thoughts was that this whole thing isn't horrifying if the "slaughter" was carried out humanely, and even better if it was done with consent of the meat sources.

      Why, I might myself consent if someone offered to kill me painlessly (and monitor the process, so that I'm not "saved" by someone else) if I had to offer my meat in exchange for it! =)

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  4. Janus, I also recommend Anthony (Auban's) Church of Lazarus:

    http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/snuffit4/si4cover.jpg

    It's a Church whose tenets are the most attractive I've ever seen:-)

    And, of course, if they were followed, we would see no more horror stories the likes of which above. Alas, as long as the humping and pumping continues, and world population spirals out of control, food becomes scarcer and the environmental crisis grows, such horror will only become more common.

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    1. I guess you meant to link this:

      http://www.beyond-the-pale.co.uk/lazaruschurch.htm

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    2. Karl,

      to embed a link in your posts you can type

      <a href="http://www.beyond-the-pale.co.uk/lazaruschurch.htm">description</a>

      Welcome to the 21st century!

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    3. Anonymous, thanks! You're a gentleman/lady.

      And the 21st Century isn't anything I want to be welcomed into:-)

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  5. I love the "but these are only exceptions!"-argument.
    What happens happens to individual and for the individual it is not an exception. Everything that happens happens to a single person and not to 7 billion.

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    1. Too true. Sadly the human brain works so that it filters out bad news in order to continue on its egotistical way, hence the 'collateral damage' perspective.

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  6. Hey Karl the comments on your last post aren't working.

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    1. There are so many comments that you may think your comment's already been posted when you're asked to prove you're not a computer -- you need to search for the graphic in the haystack and complete the process. I too lost a hard-written comment yesterday, and made a brief summary today. =(

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    2. When a post gets up to 200 comments, I click on "Subscribe to: Post comments (Atom)" at the bottom of the page. It'll give you a feed for any extra comments.

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    3. There's a click 'Load new comments' post at the botton of the page which I think you may need to have HTML enabled to access. Anyway, you're missing nothing, just a bunch of trolls scratching their backsides there.

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    1. My pleasure, Janus. All of the precepts are worthwhile:-)

      Sadly, no one ever has and no one ever can, given a good reason as to why the human race should be perpetuated.

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    1. Good child-free articles. However, its all written for the sake of own individuality - romance, etc. Children should not be brought into the world because the world is a futile piece of shit and not because it takes away from the couples romance.

      Don't get me wrong, child-free are far better than breeders but they're a far-cry from antinatalists.

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  9. I'll be attending a baby shower in a matter of days. I feel sad for the mom too...expectant mommies always so full of hope never imagining that their baby might end up like these did or worse. I've imagined myself as a mother, you know, imagined having my own child to love but I keep it where it belongs...in the imagination...because only in the imagination can a good world and loving God exist. My "child", all of us, animals, humans, we all deserve better than to be born into hell.

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  10. Dictators have often set up famines at the start of their rule, so what Kim Jong Un is doing now is only an echo of what Joseph Stalin did in 1932 in The Ukraine, locally called The Holodomor, and Chairman Mao did later in China, in the name of agrarian reform. Had we in the 1930s and 1950s the media than that we have now, then perhaps The Daily Mail would have reported Stalin's mismanaging of the Soviet and chinese economies with the same degree of comfort for their readership as they report the doings of Kim Jong UN are being reported. As far as eating human flesh goes, people will eat anything if they are hungry enough, that is nothing new. But anyone who is hungry enough to eat human flesh will not be serving it up with delicacy, the starving have never cared about what spices or herbs are in their food and they don't make wine with their meals mandatory. The process which breaks down humans to that degree will also break down all sense of ritual, custom and culture.

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  11. My god, I do wonder if the world will someday turn into the kind of nightmare depicted in A Modest Proposal or Soylent Green. Here I am, typing at my computer, and somewhere else on the planet someone is being eaten alive . . . What a nightmare!

    "I fell sick, I was delirious, driven mad by fear . . . The best thing to do when you're in this world, don't you agree, is to get out of it. Crazy or not, scared or not." - Louis-Ferdinand Celine

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    1. Amen to that. Celine knew the truth!

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    2. If you happen to believe in the bible at all, it describes a future scene of "Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking toward those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken." (luke 21:26). Remarkably they preach this verse at the church I attend and all the while we're surrounded by pregnant women. I don't understand I guess they think such things won't befall their child. I'd never risk it. I can easily picture such a scene occuring or any number of unforseen horrific disasters. My heart already fails me, at horror of the things being done to animals in this world (such as being eaten alive). God!! Who can bear it?

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    3. It's been argued that if there is a God such as the Christian God, having children is particularly risky, since what if your kid screws up and winds up in Hell forever?

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  12. show goes on, stories repeat themselves... Where I live just 80years ago was a famine that took 6 to 9 million lives in 1 year. Parents were eating their kids too.
    Nothing will stop people. No genocide, no war, no famine. It will just be put in history book with the 'never again' line in the end and the page turned and high hopes expressed for the future.

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    1. All too true. I think that's why my compassion levels are dropping. Being nice to people is like throwing glasses of water on a fire while around the back others are pouring cans of petrol on the flames.

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  13. Hah! Korea! Did you know that MIng and Manchu china had a rradition of 'swapping children, making food?'. China's always been its own biggest threat, what with being up to .25 of humanityduring its long existence. They have had famines that caused insurrection, insurrection that caused famine (with stuff rotting in the fields) and all other combinations. I'm sure that this is the heritage the NKans availed themselves of.

    And it makes fucked up sense. Parents don't need growth calories or special n utrients, and are already reproductive age, so just sit out this harvest, live to breed another day, Or let the stunted, traumatised kids carry the burden of honoring the ancestors? May god forbid. Eat them and make another. Sigh.

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