Wednesday, 14 November 2012

The Dazzling, Wearisome Mediocrity of Humanity


A few people have requested I put up a new post, as they were finding it awkward/impossible to access all the comments on the last one. Apparently, to read them all, you need to enable Javascript (thanks, Laura!). Having nothing new to say, I shall merely bitch.


I think the reason I loathe London so much is because it smacks the fundamental mediocrity of humanity right in your face; there is simply no escaping it. The bottom line is that most people are mediocre, they really don't exist as thinking, self-aware creatures at all. They suck up the shit dished out by their parents, the tabloids and television and never have a thought in their lives. I don't mean this in any Nietzschean Ubermensch crappy way, as I, too, am a mediocre, loathsome, self-serving, morally delinquent specimen, but merely as a sad statement of inescapable truth. Living here would have extinguished any notions I ever had about humanity if they hadn't all died a long time ago, but even then, to come and live here in the midst of the flood is something else altogether. I think that's why my fundamental feeling these days is a great lassitude and weariness. Humanity is going nowhere and accomplishing nothing; it's just pigs in a trough, and that's being unfair on pigs, who are very clean animals.

On Monday, circumstances forced me into taking refuge in one of those awful 'Pret a Manger' chain cafes. I tried to stick it out, but the awful food, the vapid music and the fake cheeriness of the staff inspired a desire to commit a Brevik-style massacre, so I ran out into the rain. That evening, while waiting for a Tube in one of the blandest of the bland London suburbs, I felt close to fainting, such was the nausea induced by exhaustion and the endless crowds of joyless, stone faced people all crammed on to the Auschwitz cattle-cars that are the Underground.

A lot of my more 'optimistic' friends are those who still live in small places, all frustrated and dreaming that 'civilisation' and 'culture' inhere in the big cities. Some even think I am 'living the dream'. I try to disabuse them, but to no avail.

There you are: humanity sucks!

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  1. Thank you, Karl, for another beautifully written post!

    What we really need is an antinatalist dating site to slightly quell the extreme loneliness that we antinatalists find ourselves burdened with while falling in the bottomless pit of a mediocrity worshipping society.

    But that may prove to be too fanciful of a wish, since, from my observations, most antinatalists tend to be philosophically intelligent, financially impoverished, heterosexual males. Most women are prisoners to the biologically and culturally programmed directive to procreate, and will always remain unreceptive to the moral rectitude of discontinuing the human race as expeditiously as possible. Our antinatalist brethren may unfortunately be forced to a life of involuntary celibacy.

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    1. See, when the philosophically intelligent, heterosexual males that you mentioned figure things out, living becomes an impossible feat: working for nothing, enjoying for nothing, loving for nothing.. these concepts become pretty absurd once the whole picture of reality emerges.

      Surely though, companionship would not hurt (as long as there is no procreation involved!) but the financial impoverishment is a great impediment to that...

      How are the antinatalists to survive if they're function and are also barely supporting themselves (if at all)?

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    2. At Anon,
      Good observation, about AN´s. That is generally true, although not always. In the antinatal Facebook community there are lots of women, for instance. I suggest that if you want to seek AN companionship, you go look there.

      Cheers.

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    3. If you've read Dr Roy Baumister's "Is there anything good about men?", you'll see that there are reasons for both men and women to get utterly fed up with life.

      And I'll also add that I feel that at least in some parts of the world, being homosexual brings enough difficulties to show you a few apalling realities of life. =| Besides, they have a ready-made non-inclination to procreate.

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    4. Hello Srikant

      Am I to infer from your comment about the ready made-ness of the disinclination of gay males to procreate, that there is almost something to be glad for in having a natural resistance to breeding? The readiness that the naturalness brings to the resistance? That nearly makes the world a better place in itself. The next stage is to disbelieve in any particular 'community' and to accept disconnection for others as being normal (with hopefully a few honourable exceptions) and connection with other where we find it to be a bonus we can't rely on, but a bonus we are allowed to like. I am going to look up Roy Baumister now...

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    5. Anonymous, I think that an antinatalist dating site would be a double-edged sword. Wouldn't we start playing the game of romance and rejection? Wouldn' that hurt? As Karl says in the post, we too are self-serving and, except for non-procration, we're still in many ways like all other human animals.

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    6. An antinatalist dating website wouldn't be exessively difficult to create by one amongst us who has a bit of web design knowledge.

      I'd be interested to know what features would you people like such a website to have. I assume you'd want to see who's in your area, some information such as age, whether the person has children (yes, some had children before their antinataist days) or is childfree, a picture, whether the person is vegan, vegetarian or a meat eater and what they're looking for on the website. Any other thoughts?

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  2. Thanks Karl for another wonderful post!

    I agree that its impossible to live among the civilization once you truly figured things out.

    I feel like the entire planet is crammed like cattle into an Auschwitz camp and everyone is a walking zombie.

    Horrible, horrible existence.

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  3. Very evocative post, Karl. Yes, Central London, like many big cities, can have an oppressive feel about it. Unfortunately, the key to survival in such places often seems to be avoidance and dissociation. I find there are a few spots of respite here and there, though - usually the less trendy places that not so many people bother to seek out anymore. Having said that, the more rural areas have thir own malcontents, as due to the much lower population density etc it is even harder to connect with likeminded people in the area. Younger people where I live tend to settle down (and have children) young, then there is the apparent obsession with breeding and exploiting animals for various diversionary purposes. The grass not always being greener in the country...

    Anon, that sounds a good idea and I hope it will happen one day. There are probably a lot of closet antinatalists out there. Speaking as a female heterosexual antinatalist though, I don't think you should be too hasty to write off the females of the species. Some of us are similarly resigned to a future of involuntary celibacy, for the same reasons you note above.

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    1. P.S. Anon, I can also identify your concerns about being poverty-stricken, as I am now re-training for a new line of work, having quit my previous 'good job' in a sector that is gutwrenchingly pronatalist. Unfortunately it wasn't until after I had established that career that I came across antinatalist arguments - which I accepted - and began to recognise the horror of which I was part. At which point, I could no longer bear to carry out my job and resigned.

      For most antinatalists facing a looming future of loneliness and personal financial uncertainty, there is at least the consolation that we shall never expose our children to such a life.

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    2. I stand behind that. Precisely because I know how life is I will not expose anyone else to it.

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    3. Just curious Anon 13:57, what was the previous career you've left behind? Perhaps a nurse?

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    4. My guess: fertility clinic.

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    5. Just a reminder that, life as AN is hard, as everyone knows, but life as anything really, is hard, some more than others. All things considered, I believe that, in average terms, an AN might have some advantages, like not having to work maintain a family, for instance.

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    6. My guess: midwife.

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  4. Anon 13:57, I tip my hat to you!

    Something similar happened to me -- I got into a very reputed college, but lost motivation at the world in general when I was in there ... can't say I actually built a career and then cast it away, so your sacrifice is far greater! The career my line of study would take me too isn't "gutwrenchingly" pronatalistic, perhaps, but then we tend to be a far-thinking lot, don't we? =)

    Karl, you mention the tube quite a few times, and I too relate to that. You'd think that without the space to do anything else, travelling in crowded public transport would make people think about life, but no. They've come up with tiny gadgets (many of which are prefixed with an "i-") with which people redirect bloodflow elsewhere.

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  5. I hate commies, but here is some excerpts from an interview with Slavoj Žižek:

    When were you happiest?

    A few times when I looked forward to a happy moment or remembered it - never when it was happening.

    What is your greatest fear?

    To awaken after death - that's why I want to be burned immediately.

    What is the trait you most deplore in others?

    Their sleazy readiness to offer me help when I don't need or want it.

    What makes you depressed?

    Seeing stupid people happy.

    What do you owe your parents?

    Nothing, I hope. I didn't spend a minute bemoaning their death.

    To whom would you most like to say sorry, and why?

    To my sons, for not being a good enough father.

    What does love feel like?

    Like a great misfortune, a monstrous parasite, a permanent state of emergency that ruins all small pleasures.

    What is your favourite smell?

    Nature in decay, like rotten trees.

    Which living person do you most despise, and why?

    Medical doctors who assist torturers.

    What is the worst job you've done?

    Teaching. I hate students, they are (as all people) mostly stupid and boring.

    If you could edit your past, what would you change?

    My birth. I agree with Sophocles: the greatest luck is not to have been born - but, as the joke goes on, very few people succeed in it.

    What single thing would improve the quality of your life?

    To avoid senility.

    What is the most important lesson life has taught you?

    That life is a stupid, meaningless thing that has nothing to teach you.

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    1. Whoops, the interview is here.

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    2. And yet he had two children.

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    3. Great interview, thanks! I think his partner was or is a model, so maybe it's Nature triumphing over Reason yet again!

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    4. Great interview! Its unfathomable why he reproduced..

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    5. Karl/Dimasok, he may not have realized all this in his younger days ...

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    6. Fact - AN is wisdom condensed.

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    7. The guy is useless for the cause, if he talked about it like Jim did, great! But meh, why do those that could make a big influence dance around it from Woody to all the other famous shitbags.

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  6. This is not only a good post: it´s even poetic. Yes, humanity is horrible, but we are at least trying to change things a bit. Long after our deaths, these websites will still be here, to enlighten people further, alongside other thinker´s works out there.

    Black flag up.

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  7. Thanks for the new post, Karl! And I like this smaller font. =)

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  8. The primary reason people have kids is to experience a few fleeting moments of sexual ecstasy unencumbered by contraceptive constraints. Procreative sexual activity is evolutionarily favored and hence, more pleasurable than nonprocreative sexual activity. The examples to support this claim are numerous, including but not limited to the fact that condoms diminish sensitivity and spontaneity (two essential ingredients for sexual pleasure), and hormonal birth control pills have been known to wreak havoc on the delicate endocrinology of the female, and greatly suppress the availability of testosterone (an important component of female libido) in the female's blood.

    An important counterargument may be given that would say that procreative sexual activity actually diminishes sexual pleasure due to the resultant fear of an unwanted pregnancy, and the countless burdens of raising a child (assuming that an early abortion is not performed). But these concerns can arise only in the exceptionally intelligent, and will be absent in the mindset of the predominantly barbaric population of mankind.

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    1. You make a great point, Anon, about the fact that procreation is inextricably intertwined with the perhaps the most important feature of human experience - sexual activity. Precluding the former necessarily eliminates the other. I have yet to see a well-articulated discussion among antinatalists about the implications that nonprocreation has on human sexuality.

      An intellectually honest antinatalistic life should be lived as a celibate.

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    2. Brother Dissipation17 November 2012 at 07:08

      "An intellectually honest antinatalistic life should be lived as a celibate."

      Men shouldn't take chances, we all know that they are complete powerless in the decision making. If you have sex you need to get a vasectomy or no vaginal penetration/oral/sodomy, it's just that simple (although i've read something on sister y's blog about a women using the partner's sperm after the oral experience..eek). Birth control and condoms is INEXUSCLABLE because you are taking a huge risk.

      It's much easier for women, they are in complete control.

      So in summary : men = vasectomy or a geniune antinatalist partner (not those child free people,if they get pregnant they are suspectible to emotions, outside pressure,...). Gays are the exception of course;

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    3. "The primary reason people have kids is to experience a few fleeting moments of sexual ecstasy unencumbered by contraceptive constraints."

      And then they pretend that they had the child for the child's sake or for whatever other altruistic reason! I guess it must be quite a surreal experience for these individals to find themselves with a meat puppet out of their sex. And then to have to make up bullshit to cover up their act, because every small child would be disgusged to know how it was created.

      All children are made of sex and lies. All children are children of the lie. And the vast majority of them go on to become people of the lie*. The only people who are not of the lie are the antinatalists, who despite having been born as children of the lie, have managed to find the way out.

      * "people of the lie" is not my original expression. I first saw it in the title of a book by psychologist Scott Peck. The gist of that book is that people of the lie have "false selves" and are essentially evil, neurotics who cannot stand truth. While I find this premise attractive, the book, as is its author, is pronatalist and irritating. It is not a book worth reading IMHO.

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    4. There's this video where a woman says that when people learn of a gay couple, they may be disgusted - they have a fleeting vision of their activity in bed. But people don't visualise pornography in wedding ceremonies.

      But that is the truth - when a couple introduces their child, what it actually means is that the man cummed into the woman's vagina. Isn't that disgusting?

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    5. If you haven't chopped off your genitals yet, you're not a true antinatalist!

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    6. If straight men engage in sex with life cultists, then yes you can throw away your membership card and get a new one at the brotherhood of Evil Antinatalists (life is an imposition but my needs go first,i'll risk it)

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    7. If you stay alive one more day there is a risk that someone will steal one of your hairs without your consent and clone you.

      I threw away my membership card for this nutjob club a long time ago. Now they will not even allow people to have sex.

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    8. Poor ex-antinatalist, you can never be a life cultist again. Get some CBT or join a religion, or fake it!

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    10. Just to make it clear, the above remarks were made by an impostor under my name, as Karl Marx can verify by checking the IP-address. Another example of antinatalists playing petty games under the pretense of reducing suffering.



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    11. Sorry about that. I've removed the offending comment. I'd be interested in hearing why you abandoned antinatalism.

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    12. "what it actually means is that the man cummed into the woman's vagina. Isn't that disgusting?"

      Yeah, it is. No idea why tranquil talked so much about cumming into his girlfriend's vagina.

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  9. Vasectomies can fail. And then there are such quality of life destroying complications such as PVP (wiki it). As Brother D. and Sister Y have pointed out, only women truly have "reproductive freedom".

    I have not even scratched the surface, but as Anon. said, the whole issue of sexuality and AN needs to be addressed.

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    1. Hey, I try to tackle this issue (sexuality) in my blog. Cheers to all.

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  10. Karl I applaud your website, really, a breath of fresh air in a mad, mad world. And that is what it is like to encounter the truth in a world full of lies, it is like having been trapped under water and getting up for a breath of air before being sucked down again. I am a female heterosexual antinatalist. I don't date because of severe deformity. I feel I was always destined for a horrific life (and yeah I believe in destiny), a life of complete solitude in the world, perhaps it's for the best in that it protects me from the mind-deadening, soul-killing, me-first mindset of the majority of humanity. The only people of real value in this world are the truth-tellers, the brave, the noble, the humble. I wish more people were like you karl.

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    1. Thanks for the nice words, anonymous. You're being way too kind! Alas, like anyone else living and breathing, I also participate in the games of fraud and manipulation our sad species is condemned to.

      I like the underwater metaphor; that's certainly what it feels like. How I yearn for Atheist/Secular monasteries!

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    2. Anon, I love the way you say, "I wish more people were like you", and not "I wish there were more people like you". =D

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  11. I think there are far more antinatalists out there than the "financially-impoverished intelligent heterosexual male" that we usually encounter. They probably just didn't know there was even a term for it, as I used to have been.

    For the record, I'm a heterosexual female (an MTF transgender technically, not that it should matter), although regrettably just as financially-impoverished. :(

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  12. It seems some would want to have their antinatalism cake and eat it too.

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    1. I don't get it, can you unmeme that one?:)

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    2. In short, having potentialy procreative sex.

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    3. Part-time antinatalists , in bed life is beautiful,a gift and out of it it's an imposition.

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    4. Your point is you are a 52 year old virgin who resents anyone else having what you don't have and wants everyone else to be as miserable as you are.

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    5. Personal attack *yawn*. Why don't you address the argument instead of going after the poster? You are probably the same troll on shadow's blog. It would be real interesting if you were an antinatalist but i doubt it. Try again ok?

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    6. It is disgusting what the world has come to. It is one thing when people of alternative sexualities are attacked for pursuing their sexual intentions, and totally another when "virgin" is used as an insult.

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    7. I never used "virgin" as an insult, quite the opposite, if you had taken the time to read my sympathetic second link. I haven't seen any valid arguments, just attacks on vaginal sex.

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    8. Saw your second link. It makes Francois Tremblay look extremely reasonable, by comparison.

      Also it makes me realize that this persecution of alternative sexuality results in so many other evil things. I kind of concur with the "human to human" part of your second link.

      Woman–woman physical contact and emotional bonding are nowhere near as "alternative-sexualised" in the West as man–man physical contact and emotional bonding. There you are.

      But at the end of all that, even that doesn't make sex a need. Blasted hell, I know this sounds awfully melodramatic (besides, it isn't even a rational argument), but people in parts of the world go without food for days, and some others complain for having gone so long without sex.

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    9. "I haven't seen any valid arguments, just attacks on vaginal sex."

      Really? Vaginal sex aka risk sex can result in pregnancy, we've been through this many times. You are gambling, an antinatalist would not take this chance for some vaginal penetration. Birth control contraceptives can fail, vasectomies too, condoms too.

      Now can you explain why you are against it from an AN point of view (it's pointless if you are not an AN since you don't aknowledge the imposition).

      I would really be interested in ANs that reject the vaginal penetration taboe.

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  14. I have a question I've been meaning to ask for a while but I'm not sure where to post it exactly, maybe you could help me out Karl...

    The question in question:

    If you could push a button and end all human life immediately, everyone just drops dead, would you push it? You'd end the pain of everyone who's suffering and ensure nobody would ever suffer again, but by ending the lives of every single human being.

    I think my gut response to this question was "no" because the thought of my sudden death in the case of someone else pushing the button (naturally) fills me with fear, but the more I think about it the more it seems like pushing it would be a good idea. Nobody would know they've died or were just about to die, all they would have ever known is life. Their death would be much easier for them in this respect. No one would have to mourn these deaths as they would if you didn't push the button and they lived on and died before some of their loved ones rather than all together. Everyone killed is just brought into their "eternal dwelling" a comparatively VERY short time before they'd have to go anyway. All that's really lost would be a few years that are without a doubt going to be utterly lost after death anyway.

    Then again, would it be right to take someone's life against their will (regardless of the fact that it will be taken anyway and no matter what way it's taken it leads to exact same ETERNAL end)? Not to mention the fact that you'd kill all of your loved ones, though still they're all completely and hopelessly doomed regardless...

    I'm curious what peoples thoughts on this would be and I'm not sure where to ask!

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    1. Just like Gary, I would do it

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    2. Yes, I would press the button. And I would do so without any heistation or equivocation at all.

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    3. I serve the inevitable and every means to achieve/hasten it is a-ok with me. The imposition to end all impositions, it's one i could live with if only for xxx picoseconds:).

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    4. Taking someone's life AGAINST THEIR WILL (save for the purpose of punishment against someone who did a willful crime) is nowhere near right at all. But I hold a gray area of what constitutes "against ones will". For me, something would be against ones will, if one becomes aware what was done and what has been deprived of them. Provided that (and this is really a big IF) the "trigger button" provides instantaneous, effective, non-painful death where indeed humanity wouldn't be any wiser what has become and what has been deprived of them, then by all means I'll go for it.

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    5. To hell with Gary, that self-obsessed narcissist, he does antinatalism more harm than good.

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  15. Antinatalism is the philosophy of the weak and cowardly.

    The world is a miserable place because the strong, under the compulsion of "ethics" and "morality," have allowed the weak, miserable and diseased to survive when they should should have been eliminated from the gene pool. We have forgotten our roots: we evolved from beasts, for whom the ultimate maxim is the survival of the fittest. The creative potential of the strong has been hindered by "compassion," to which our fetters will have to be severed if we are to prevail.

    Only the Ubermensch is worthy of existence. He creates his own meaning in a meaningless universe, and forces the universe to submit to his Will, forged by suffering into Omnipotence.

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    1. How exactly do you "force the universe to submit to your Will"? You're ridiculous.

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    2. This beggars belief!

      Do people really still believe in this Nietzschean claptrap?

      If so, it just goes to show that the defeat of Nazism taught the dominant species upon this ball of dirt absolutely nothing.

      Or is Anonymous 22 November 2012 08:19 simply having a joke?

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    3. You say weak i say compassion, you say cowardly i say logical. You = Entropy. The end.

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    4. Mahapralaya, nice to see another Indian in the AN blogosphere! If you don't mind, could you pass on your email ID to me through Karl or Shadow? Thanks.

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    5. I'm not from India Strikant:), i can of course see how you got that impression.

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  16. If its the abolition of humanity that antinatalists crave for, then, nonprocreation is the most futile means of achieving this goal! The procreative instinct must be indulged to the greatest extent possible in order to expeditiously hasten the end, which would inevitably occur through the omnicidal global conflict over finite resources.

    We need to relinquish all compassion, morality and ethical consequences! Forget the suffering that our children would face, for solipsistically speaking, I can be truly certain only of my own mental states and sensation, therefore only my own pleasure matters!

    Complete callousness is the only true morality!

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    1. Are you same as Anon 22 November 08:19?

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    2. I agree, i'll just let you and those other breeders do the dirty work.

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    3. With the omnicidal plan that is, not that hedonistic disgusting nihilistic crap. I know, what does it matter. Same ends.

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  17. DIMASOK SURPRESSES CRITICISM ON HIS BLOG.

    EVERY YEAR, THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT COMMENTERS ARE SILENCED BY THE DIMASOK SECRET POLICE.

    STOP THE PERSECUTION OF COMMENTERS ON DIMASOK’S BLOG

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    1. Antinatalismdoesneedrama27 November 2012 at 15:45

      Hey Dimasok if you reading this can you enable anonymous comments? Unknown, from what i've seen from Dimasok he doesn't strike me as the type. Trolls are a hazard on the AN boards and really annoying so i can perfectly understand the moderation. (reading something about a troll he kicked off).

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    2. LEAVING SOCIETY EDITS COMMENTS TO AGREE AND DIMASOK SILENCES DISSEDENTS

      END FASCISM IN ANTINATALIST BLOGGING

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    3. This Unknown is different from the other Unknown -- their 'On Blogger Since' dates differ.

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  18. Oooh now that makes sense! Tt was so uncharacteristic to be the AN unknown!

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  19. MANY ANTINATALISTS ARE RACIST FASCISTS

    CHIP SMITH SUPPORTS HOLOCAUST DENIAL AND PIMPS MOLDBUG, AUTHOR OF WHITE NATIONALIST APOLOGIST TEXTS http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-i-am-not-white-nationalist.html

    http://hooverhog.typepad.com/

    INMENDHAM SUPPORTS HOLOCAUST DENIAL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTXWnUBEeEE

    PLEASE STOP NAZI INFILTRATION AT THE CORE OF ANTINATALISM

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  20. I'm emphatically against both White Nationalism and Holocaust Denial. In fact, it's difficult to see how HD is motivated by, at best, shame and embarrassment for ordinary Germans who took no part in the holocaust, or were even aware of it - and even then I'm going far out on a limb here. I agree it is far more likely that both are due to antisemitism and racism. The overwhelmingly vast majority of antinatalists (of any kind) are repulsed by these "schools of thought", and indeed it would contradict "suffering prevention" - the ultimate core of antinatalism (bigotry causes suffering, after all).

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