Friday, 30 November 2012

Life


Listen to the newborn infant’s cry in the hour of birth- see the death struggles in the final hour- and then declare whether what begins and ends in this way can be enjoyment.
 

True enough, we human beings do everything as fast as possible to get away from these two points, hurry as fast as possible to forget the birth-cry and change it to delight in having given a being life. And when someone dies we immediately say: Softly and gently he slipped away, death is a sleep, a quiet sleep- something we do not say for the sake of the one who died, for out talking cannot help him, but for our own sake, in order not to lose any of the zest for life, in order to change everything to serve an increase in the zest for life during the interval between the birth-cry and the death-wail, between the mother’s shriek and the child’s repetition of it, when the child at some time dies.
 

Imagine somewhere a great and splendid hall where everything is done to produce joy and merriment- but the entrance to this room is a nasty, muddy, horrible stairway and it is impossible to pass without getting disgustingly soiled, and admission is paid by prostituting oneself, and when day dawns the merriment is over and all ends with one’s being kicked out again- but the whole night through everything is done to keep up and inflame the merriment and pleasure!
 

What is reflection? Simply to reflect on these two questions: How did I get into this and how do I get out of it again, how does it end? What is thoughtlessness? To muster everything in order to drown all this about entrance and exit in forgetfulness, to muster everything to re-explain and explain away entrance and exit, lost in the interval between the birth-cry and the repetition of this cry when the one who is born expires in the death struggle.

                                                                                                                Kierkegaard

39 comments:

  1. My mother tells me my birth was rather difficult. It seems I "didn't want to come out"! I was also told I cried alot as a baby. Perhaps at some level I knew the truth about life even then.

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    1. Your instincts were correct! My mother was 30 hours in labour with me, so I figure I too must have been on to the bad news:-)

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    2. I don't know anything about what happened when I was born but I am sure I was quite horrified and quite a screamer. I believe babies scream when born because they are repulsed and horrified at what they've just been forced into. Their spirits know that they will inevitibly suffer once here. I know that my spirit never wanted to be born into this evil world. I have only felt horror since. When I wake up in the morning I am re-living this horrific birth experience as I am again and again, every day on waking, coming back into this world, this hell, and my spirit revolts in me. God let it end.

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    3. Otto Rank wrote a book entitled 'The Trauma of Birth'. Always wanted to get hold of it.

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    4. Also think of the women: "postnatal depression".
      As soon as they have popped out a unit from their comfy womb into this world they realize what they've done.

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    5. So true, ANymol. I have heard women say after the birth (I mean on internet forums) that they regret doing it (bringing a child here) and are distraught about it. And the response of society is to shush these women, and tell them they're just "depressed" but the truth is these women have been awakened to the realities of what it really means to subject another being to this world.

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  2. I'm glad you are back:), the other blogs are full of unnecessary drama and childish feuds. I recently saw the "devil's whore" and there's a great scene between Edward Sexby and Angelica: "Madam. We enter the world alone and in blood and we leave the same way. What happens in between means little." That's how i feel.

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    1. Thanks, Chantel:-) Must check that out. Thanks for commenting!

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  3. Welcome back Karl :)

    While I am not a big fan of Kierkegaard (for obvious reasons), I will admit that he has some good quotes sometimes

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    1. Thanks, Dima! I figure someone must have reported me to the Internet Pessimism Police:-)

      Kierkegaard has some great stuff, much like Pascal. Often Christian philosophers are far more tuned into the horrors of life than smug atheists.

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    2. Haha :)

      Surprisingly, I agree. I would take Kierkegaard's insight into life over Dawkins any day (just the insight though... the scientific portion Dawkins has covered much better obviously).

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    3. Atheists are only justified in procreation if they believe this world rocks. They can't just say 'im having a kid coz god wants me to'. So for them to be pessimistic about life is to not have any excuse to reproduce.
      But then, oftentimes people come to embrace pessimism when the damage has already been done as they've had children when they were younger and stupider.

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  4. I'm glad your blog is back, Karl. What happened to it?

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    1. Thanks, Stacy! No clue as to what happened. Back in business anyway.

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  5. WHY ARE SOME ANTINATALISTS BRAVE ENOUGH TO TAKE A DIM WORLDVIEW YET NOT BRAVE ENOUGH TO TOLERATE DISSENSION AND DEBATE.

    REMEMBER: BLOG ANTINATALISM IS NOT JUST YOUR SUPPORT GROUP

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    1. Not sure what you're talking about, but I've only ever deleted one comment here, which was when someone was pretending to be someone else.

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    2. YES KARL YOUR HONESTY AND BRAVERY IS APPRECIATED

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    3. First of blogging antinatalism is not a support group, secondly, writing in caps is the most annoying thing ever.

      Finally, Karl is very tolerant towards dissension and debate (actually, the most tolerant one I've seen) whereas I delete posts all the time on my blog since majority of you "Unknowns" and "Anonymous" spread nothing but irrational crap and my fuse is pretty much non-existent as it is so I don't even bother with answering the crap you spout off.

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    4. CALLING ONE'S OPPONENTS IRRATIONAL HAS THE SAME EFFECT AS WORKMEN USING SWEAR WORDS TO MOVE HEAVY FURNITURE.

      WHY MUST YOU SHUT DOWN ALL DEBATE AND PROMOTE FASCISM IN THE AN COMMUNITY

      WHY DO YOU HATE YOUR OWN MOVEMENT SO MUCH YOU MUST TURN IT INTO A FRUITLESS ECHO CHAMBER

      WHY DIMASOK WHY

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    5. Whatever unknown. Go back to the cave you emerged from.

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    6. ...Francois, is that you?

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    7. FRANCOIS ALSO SHUTS DOWN DEBATE IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO HIS EGALITARIAN VIEWS AND IS A HYPOCRITE.

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    8. Please no drama here! Go to shadow's blog where he did an entire post on it (lol), ridiculous. Oops, now i'm doing drama,it's contiguous.

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    9. Anon,

      Im not doing drama. Im defending what I believe, Im defending antinatalists, and most of all, I was defending what I believed to be friends of mine.

      Too bad few, very few people even get this.

      Its a shame. Even antinatalism is corrupted still.

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    10. Anon, post away here, but please do me a personal favour and knock off the caps; it's like having someone shouting at me. Thanks:-)

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  6. Welcome back Karl. I also feared the end of this blog when it disappeared yesterday.

    You might also like the following by Baudelaire at:

    http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/anywhere-out-of-the-world/

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    1. Thanks Mr Graverol. I know that poem well, and indeed Baudelaire is my favourite poet!

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    2. Wow, what a wonderful imagination! Lovely poem!

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    1. What really sickens me about reports of horrible deaths / misery of children is that they convey sympathies to those whose irresponsible behaviour is the root cause of every bit of it. And if the father himself takes a more direct and undeniable part in the misery, sympathy is instead conveyed to the mother alone.

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  8. Gary wouldn't press the red button: http://youtu.be/pCFY4fKmUqQ?t=6m22s

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    1. IF YOU NOTICED THAT I CLOSED COMMENT MODERATION OR OPENED THE POSTING TO ANONYMOUS, IT DOES'T MEAN YOU GET TO DELUGE THE ENTRIES WITH USELESS, IRRATIONAL DRIVEL.


      ITS UP TO MY DISCRETION TO DELETE POSTS THAT I FIND DISTURBINGLY IRRATIONAL TO MY STANDARD!


      IF YOU CAN'T FIND A POST YOU WROTE, THAT MEANS IT WAS DELETED BECAUSE I FOUND IT TO BE IRRATIONAL BULLSHIT AND UNWORTHY OF RESPONSE!


      PRONATALIST AND OPTIMISTIC POSTS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED BECAUSE THEY GO AGAINST WHAT THE BLOG REPRESENTS AND THUS DO NOT MERIT ANY DISCUSSION!


      IF YOU WANT TO SPREAD YOUR BULLSHIT AROUND, YOU CAN DO IT ON OTHER BLOGS OR ON YOUTUBE WHERE IRRATIONAL SHIT IS UNFORTUNATELY TOLERATED!


      IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO ADD, YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO SO. OTHERWISE, STAY AWAY!


      THE STARTING POINT OF ALL DISCUSSION SHOULD ONLY HAPPEN WITHIN THE TENETS OF ANTINATALISM/EFILISM AND OF CONSUMPTION, REPRODUCTION, CANNIBALISM AND ADDICTION. FOR ALL VAIN CRITICISM OF THE ABOVE, YOU CAN GO TO YOUTUBE OR OTHER PLACES AS I STATED ABOVE.


      IF YOU CONTINUE WITH THAT BEHAVIOR, ALL OF YOUR "GOOD" POSTS WILL BE DELETED AS WELL (IF YOU EVER MAKE ANY).

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    2. Gary always wavers between pressing it in his later videos and not pressing it in the older videos and he is fickle. And who cares what the hell he thinks anyways?

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    3. Yeah, Gary is a failure, forget him. (Still a good rant, though.)

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  9. The big long entry in caps is, I believe the anonymous obsessed with censoring. The quote is, I believe, from Dima's blog. Anonymous, as I asked you before, please no more shouting.

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  10. (Sorry, I'm not able to reply to the threaded comment.)

    Re: the Baudelaire poem. I like that one. I can relate with the poet as I've often groaned, "I don't want to be here." But when times/places changed in my life and yet I still felt the same, I realized I could shorten it to simply: "I don't want to be."

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    1. Thanks, Kefka. You should enjoy the Leopardi poem also:-)

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  11. I said no to life a long time ago but it keeps bugging me!

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  12. Karl, I wrote a rap. I could never have written this without the state of mind your writing brought on so thankyou, it is one of my favourite verses. I don't know if my accent will be difficult for you to make out, and unfortunately it is very low visual/audio quality, but here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5uS90glGSs

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