Tuesday, 14 June 2011

Work and I

I’ve spent a lot of my life avoiding work, and believe me it’s a full-time job. Well before I arrived at my antinatalist position, I knew there was something seriously wrong with work. In school, I couldn’t really grasp the concept. People spending their entire lives doing the same thing over and over again, for no appreciable reason. Was that it? You were supposed to grow up and assume some role and stay there for the entirety of your days. I just couldn’t get my head around it. Unlike every other kid in the school, whenever I was asked what I wanted “to be” when I grew up I couldn’t answer and just made up something on the spot. Aged nearly 35, nothing has changed.

I managed to avoid work until I was 19. I had dropped out of university, finding the whole thing a pretty insipid and uninspiring experience. I was mouldering at home, when a do-gooder uncle of mine decided this was unacceptable and got me a job in a local supermarket. I had no way of avoiding his horrible “philanthropy” and dutifully dragged my ass in to the shopping centre where this place was for an introductory meeting with my boss. She was a fully paid-up drone, astonished by my bare CV and asked me if I fancied stacking shelves or working behind the counter in the deli. The latter looked like my version of hell, so I naively asked for the stacking job. It didn’t look so bad: straightforward and all you had to do was stack items; only rarely did it seem you were approached by the public.

The following Monday I went into this modern-day gulag to be told I was working in the deli. I couldn’t believe it. The bitch had stitched me up! I was brought in and told to put on the ridiculous uniform: apron, hat, gloves. I never felt so trapped in my life. The atmosphere of the staff was one of total servitude. It was October, but the sole topic of conversation was the Christmas staff outing to a nearby town for a night out. I couldn’t believe it. This was what they were looking forward to? Jesus Christ! Matters wern’t helped by hating having to serve the public. I knew I had to get out. After another day of this slow-motion nightmare, I decided enough was enough. I went to the doctor, feigned depression (although after the supermarket maybe it wasn’t faked) and got a sick-note. A permanent one, of course.

Around a year later, I was under pressure to do something and so went back to college. I had a great time for the next two years, delighted to be away from the work-police for another while. When graduation came, I enrolled for a Master’s degree. At the time it was from genuine interest, but I also knew that I was desperate to avoid the 9-5. I did get a summer job in the cataloguing section of the university library, which was my first dose of office work. The tedium, the non-variety and the inevitable politics were stultifying. The job was only four hours a day but was still torture. I left after a couple of months.

A few months later I was down to my last ten quid, and something had to be done. A friend of mine with a similar disposition had taken a job in security, informing me that it wasn’t so bad if you got a cosy lock-in night job where you were free to read. I applied and was accepted. After a couple of crappy numbers, I got a relatively tolerable gig in a hospital where you had to walk the grounds once an hour. The rest of the time I could read. The only risky point was when a junky with a needle threatened me, but I managed to talk him into calmness. The worst gig came when I was dragged into a bookmaker’s after the guard there had walked out. I quickly realised why. It was one of the most miserable 10 hours of my life. Standing at the door of a bookies, watching the same people frittering away a few quid at a time on the horses and the dogs. There were some guys there who didn’t leave the place for the whole time I was there. Truly grim.

One MA became two, and then the inevitable Ph.D. By now, I knew I was just using college as a refuge from “reality”. 9-5, family life, Sunday roasts and all the rest of it just didn’t appeal, to put it mildly. I also knew that most people in the academic racket were there simply because it appealed as a lifestyle choice, but they tried to dress it up as something noble and humanistic. They were furthering “scholarship” and advancing toward the light. In reality, they fancied the long holidays, high pay, perks, conferences abroad, having the attention of fawning female undergrads and all the rest of it. Sure, there were one or two genuine scholars, but the vast, vast majority of people there were just hanging around in order to avoid the work grind. I didn’t have a problem with that: I just wanted the posers to be honest about it.

Inevitably, I dropped out of the Ph.D, not being able to subscribe fully to the cult of academia. You can bluff it there for a while, but the higher you go the more bullshit there is to swallow, and only the real egomaniacs survive. After that I worked in a couple of libraries. I did a stint in a public library, which was actually worse than the academic variety. I was in a snobby part of town, where the locals fancied themselves to be the equivalent of the Mayfair or Central Park set. The lack of manners and general ignorance of the people who came in there was genuinely shocking. To make it worse, the local mothers used the place as a crèche for their screaming spawn, a perfect storm for a by-now convinced antinatalist! I left one evening and didn’t return. The following day I disconnected the landline, turned off my mobile phone and drank in the silence and solitude like it was the nectar of the gods.

In the meantime, I’ve gotten by on freelance writing and Welfare. I’m not ashamed of the latter. If it’s there, take it. You didn’t ask to be born and you’ve been thrown into a nest of vipers and rattlesnakes determined to enslave you, so why not avail of it if it’s on offer. Those who talk about work being “virtuous” are either brainwashed idiots or glory-hunting egomaniacs. In the meantime, life revolves around avoiding two horrifying things: procreation and 9-5.


  1. A priceless piece. Really, really good. You´ve described the ennui, the bullshit, everything, in a few chosen words, Karl. I liked it, and I can relate to it, definately. There´s no opportunity of work that I haven´t recognized as an enslavement programe. It´s horrible. And people do it. This days, I went to search for a job. The interviewer said they worked since 8 a.m to 20 p.m pratically everyday. And the pay was not even that good, it was a joke pratically. To my astonishment, there were people there, working, and, to some extent happy to do it. They are pratical slaves and are happy about it. (It´s an office job, btw)

    Life in the academia is another ridiculous thing. If you climb up the ladder very high, you can see the staggering madness of it all, and the bullshit!

    So I can agree with you, one more time.

    Perfect text.

  2. I can totally relate to that. Can't say that I blame you for taking advantage of the welfare. I personally refuse to use even unemployment insurance, simply on principle. I view it as labor forcibly taken from others at the point of a gun (taxation; fractional reserve banking schemes) I've just never felt that anyone other than my biological parents actually owed me anything. But hell, that's my two cents. You just do whatever you gotta do to get by in the meantime. I hope you eventually find something that translates into "pleasant distraction", but as long as we're being honest here... I've yet to find that myself. Great post :)

    Just a little related story. A couple of weeks ago, I have a call transferred to me (yes, I work as a supervisor in an inbound call center... exciting, no?) that involves not one, but TWO angry customers on speakerphone. These people had ordered a "sympathy" gift for their friends... who are also a couple. This gift was sold out and they needed to choose a different gift. We called them to let them know, but this was "positively unacceptable". By the time I had calmly explained the situation to them, offered to give them free delivery, a large discount, and even an UPGRADED item, the conversation had spiraled out of control. The husband was calling me every off-color name in the book, and his kooky wife was putting on a most embarrassing screaming and crying tirade, simultaneously. She was completely hysterical. I pictured one of those middle eastern women who rip their clothes and throw themselves into the dirt because their spawn died before them. Well here's the whole reason for all this insipid drama: Their "dear friends" had just lost their twins... IN UTERO!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!! It took every iota of my willpower to not break out laughing and recommend that they instead send a congratulatory gift to these people, and while they were at it, buy an even nicer one for the twins who were spared this hellish existence, and burn it in their honor. Holy shit. Oh, if only we could tell this fucked up world and all the assholes in it, how we truly feel. For the sake of continued punishment (thank you sir! May I have another?!), we don't. Life is a forced labor camp, period.

    Oh, and hi Raf! I didn't see you over there :) I Hope you're doing well (relatively speaking, of course). I've been reading your blog pretty regularly too. Good stuff. I just have a hard time getting myself to comment on more than one blog at a time. Information overload sometimes, y'know? Take care!

  3. This reminds me of the rants I used to write when I had a job, like this one. I have since also gone into university to be off the job market for a while. Fortunately, I am still very much motivated, and relatively much of what I do there is interesting (and therefore fun). Alas, there is also much to hate: arbitrary rules, politics, courses that deal with dealing with politics...

    I still chuckle at my old posts when I read them, but my life has been a lot more bearable since I adopted the goal of reduction of suffering in life (i.e., through progress) as a carrot dangling in front of me. Although I still think we shouldn't bother with existence, I know that many are going to have to anyway. Might as well ease the suffering they so incessantly deny.

  4. Garret: How is it hangin? =) Nice comment there! I must say I almost couldn´t believe it, at first... the situations we must face... =\

    Tim: nice one also!

    We should probably discuss lifestyles as well, in the antinatalist blogs. I will adress it on my blog shortly. Stay tuned! =)

  5. The Plague Doctor15 June 2011 at 07:18

    Like Karl, I went to university because I wanted to postpone working. Yet my university years were the worst of my life (until then): I did not learn anything I could not have learned on my own, I only got poorer and got saddled up with a debt, and didn't meet any lasting friends there (most of my friends during that period I met elsewhere, anyway), and in the last year my health turned for the worse. I should have found work instead, then I would have been financially independent a long time ago! Google "college scam" and "college racket" or see reddit.com/lostgeneration or Bruce Charlton´s essays (Why are modern scientists so dull, Do elite US colleges choose personality over IQ).

    Tim, I cannot for the life of me understand why you went back to university!

  6. Shadow: Thanks, my friend. Yes, enslavement program indeed. As someone said, in the Ancient world people knew they were slaves; now they try to dignify it with words like "employee" and "career".

    Garrett: Re. welfare. Fair enough, my friend. I reckon the best argument I've read in favour of welfare is by the great Thomas Paine. He argued that we are brought into the world at a point where its natural resources have already been carved up by the forces of history. Therefore, social welfare is the minimum you are entitled to as an individual assuming equality of rights. I think it's a fine argument myself.

    And what a wonderful story about the call centre! If only you could have spoken your mind!

    Tim: Ah yes, college. I'll go back again if things get too tight in the dreadful world of employment! I enjoyed your piece as well and I hope you get around to posting again, although maybe a happy college life means you don't need the outlet as much as previously.

    Plague Doctor: Fair enough re.college, my friend. I was fortunate to make some lasting friends, and in my part of the world third-level education was subsidised. I wish you could have had a better experience.

  7. Sometimes, the curious person in me wanted to know at least the country of origin of you guys.

    Some great comments we got here!

  8. Beautiful piece, Karl. Not only is work horrible for the worker, but doing anything that has real world applications has some major potential to go horribly, horribly wrong. Doing brilliant work in theoretical physics leads to the atomic bomb; invent a high-yielding variety of rice to feed the hungry, and as a result there is just enough food for them to produce more hungry people. Make a breakthrough discovery in physiology, and next thing you know, your work is being used to develop yet another reproductive technology. Be a social worker and be forced to reward people for breeding (and then throw some more money at them when they neglect their children). Work in the service industry and help maintain the status quo by having to give special perks to breeders and their posse (I sympathize with you, Garrett) or describe the daily special to yet another set of porcine restaurant patrons: "And today we have not one, not two, but three different kinds of animals who were raised in tiny quarters, tortured and raped just to make it onto your plate! And you can enjoy this pile of mutilated corpses for the low, low price of $9.99".

    Going back to school for as long as possible and then trying to have a career in the humanities definitely sounds like a plan. At least you won't make any concrete impact that way. As for the amount of bullshit one has to swallow in academia, I think it stops mattering after it reaches a certain point. There's an overabundance of bullshit in the real world already.

  9. CM, you nailed it.

  10. Tim: Yeah, that really is the best way to go about it. When it comes to suffering, reduce and distract. It's a delicate art form, but we definitely can achieve a small victory here and there.

    Shadow: Hey man, I'm doing pretty well right now. Thanks for asking :) FYI I live in Oregon, USA.

    Plague Doc: Gotta completely agree with you there. Higher education is in fact, advanced indoctrination. So many humans have the false idea in their minds, that you attend a college or university to sharpen your cognitive skills. In fact, all that most of them do is dull their own wits. One possesses a certain level of intelligence, unique to that individual. College attendance is not like strengthening your muscles with excercise. In fact, quite the opposite. You are forced to absorb the mindless and unimaginative crap that the professors/instructors spew out and you become much more malleable for the accepted social order. All the rest is just "busy" work. Oh yeah... you give them your hard earned money to brainwash you too. Cha-ching! For a strong willed person however, you understand that this continued education is nothing more than a hazing period... one designed to weed out the undesirables. If you are up to it, why not try your hand at infiltrating certain career paths by pretending to be one of the pod people? Just beware not to reveal yourself until your post "education" period. If you blow it, they will point at you and scream ;)

    Karl: Whenever I find myself tempted to grab easy money, I remind myself that somewhere out there is another human who believes in the right to retain what they've worked for. Another respectful person who understands consent and would never force another sentient being into existence to become their food, plaything, or slave. Someone whose only only demand of others is that they not violently interfere with their own lives, nor the lives of their fellow sentients, by willfully depriving them of their honestly attained property. I consider these things and I am humbled. It keeps me on the narrow path to whatever end I will eventually face... even if it is all from nothing and to nothing.

    CM: Exactly! The potential implications of human discoveries are extremely volatile. Most definitely a double edged sword. I hate thinking about how I might be helping humanity create more humans or non humans. Particularly when I must silently acquiesce to selling a meat or dairy product to someone. Though most people would find it not at all objectionable, it's one of those things that eats away at my conscience on a daily basis. I did have a positive outcome with one case though. Strangely enough, this involved another couple on the phone. They were unhappy with a chicken pie that was sent to them as a gift. The man casually mentioned that maybe it was because of the gradual reduction of meat in his diet. "Maybe flesh is an acquired taste that I'm losing", he says. Well, I didn't waste any time! I let him know I had been a strict herbivore (vegan) for four years, and I've never looked back. The husband says to his wife "Honey, this guy is a vegan!" Then I hear her squeal happily in the background :D Although I'm required to keep customers on track for the sake of my job, I couldn't ignore the couple's enthusiastic questions about weaning themselves off of meat, what to eat and how to prepare it. They ended up settling on a replacement fruit gift instead of a different amalgam of chicken carcasses. 'Twas a great feeling :)

    I appreciate the sympathy. Don't feel too sorry for me though... I just got a two month reprieve! I'll be kickin' back for the summer with my savings :P

  11. Garrett, as another vegan, I thought this might interest you:
    Funny how in a forum of ethical vegans, it appears AN is just too difficult a pill for most to swallow.

  12. CM: Superb comment. Yes, no matter what one engages in, it all utlimately ends up fuelling the mindless life machine. I guess one has to try and make as little a contribution as possible to the nightmare. Good point also re.college.

    Garrett: Spot-on about college. It's generally regarded as a little holiday for the majority of attendees before they assume their place in the drone ranks.

    I guess we'll have to amicably disagree on the welfare issue. If I could grow my own food and subsist entirely from my own labour, I would, but it's not happening at the moment.

    Well done with pushing the veggie line on the couple. I'm a vegetarian also, and consider it, alongside antinatalism, to be so logically and morally watertight that I can hardly believe people go on stuffing their guts with animal corpses, but when I reflect that people are selfish jerks I lose my incredulity!

    GottaName: Cheers for the link!

  13. That is so messed up. The fact that they understand the operation of factory farms and can distinguish among individuals, should open their eyes to the reality of the slaughterhouse that is the planet itself. I'm sure some of them will come to that conclusion eventually. It's frightening to think about what they might do to someone in the meantime.

    Glad to hear you're an herbivore, bud! Karl... any thoughts on why just two individuals are capable of having so much influence over another? The ability to summon a distinct individual mind from a void? The creation of a jail cell from their moment of self indulgent pleasure? Power that they should never have had in the first place? I know teleological discussions never really go anywhere (that should tell us something), but the duality of this universe really confounds me. It seems to get weirder with each passing day.

    Cheers dude

  14. Garrett: Yes, meat-eating is truly barbaric. I'm ashamed that it took me until 32 years of age to finally wake up to it. As someone said, if abbatoirs were in city-centres and had glass walls, maybe that'd alert people to what they're doing when they eat meat, but that's never going to happen, is it?

    As for the power of procreation, it's terrifying. As is how casually people enter into it, as if they were getting a pet dog or cat. I'm baffled. There are times when I sympathise with the Gnostic view that we are spirits trapped in a world of evil matter, but then when I reflect on my own behaviour, I realise that I'm as selfish as anyone in a thousand and one ways, and in others I'm doubtless not aware of. The best you can do is shun meat-eating and procreation!

  15. The Plague Doctor22 June 2011 at 05:45

    Humanely killing (euthanising) animals under anaesthesia is fully compatible with my conception of negative utilitarianism (and is certainly preferable to letting them die of natural causes). None of this requires animal maltreatment, so where is the watertight logic? Why do ethical continually conflate animal maltreatment with the eating of deceased meat? These two issues are a separate as suicide and non-procreation...

    All of the meat I buy has spent their entire lives grazing on pasture outdoors, and none of them have ever spent a day locked in cages, let alone tortured and "raped" (whatever that means). I would instantly prefer their life over the life I have experienced. And just to show I am not a hypocrite, I would also not object to being eaten myself after I am dead.

    Karl, please don't call me your "friend", and then proceed to call me a "barbaric" and "selfish jerk" for eating meat for health reasons. Maybe ethical vegetarians would convinvce more people if they weren't as SMUG.

    I'm outta here...

    1. I agree.

      We -- unfortunately -- evolved to eat meat.

      Since I intend on euthanizing myself, I am not eating healthfully, but an animal-based high fat, low carb diet is the only diet that works for me, in every sense of the word, not just weight.

  16. Plague Doctor: I apologise if you took personal offence at the remarks about meat-eating. I don't know the specifics of your case, but I do feel obliged to say that I know several doctors who say there is nothing vital in animal meat that can't be had in supplements.

    Also, having watched many animal rights videos I wouldn't be comfortable assuming that any animal corpse I see on the counter hasn't had a crap life. The other major ethical problem I have is the deliberate breeding of animals for slaughter and consumption. If people did the same with humans, there's be a massive outcry.
    I apologise again for any offense taken, but I feel obliged to stand by my vegetarianism.

  17. Guys, let´s not brings things to a personal level. Let´s not fight with pitchs and forks, but with ideas only. We can help each other a lot better if we - pardon me for using the cliche - stick together.

  18. Shadow, I agree entirely.

    Plague Doctor, if you read this, I hope we can agree to have a Gentleman's Disagreement on vegetarianism and stick together on the topic of Antinatalism. Apologies again for any inadvertent personal offence caused.

  19. Karl: No worries on the welfare issue dude. Honestly, it's the most agreeable disagreement I've ever had with anyone before :) As for Gnosticism, I don't know much about the organized aspects of it, but based on what I have read... it makes more sense to me than anything else. Hmm, can one be both Gnostic and Agnostic at the same time? ;)

    Plague Doctor: "Karl, please don't call me your "friend", and then proceed to call me a "barbaric" and "selfish jerk" for eating meat for health reasons. Maybe ethical vegetarians would convinvce more people if they weren't as SMUG."

    I recognize (as I'm certain Karl does) that not everyone who is an antinatalist is necessarily an herbivore. What I sensed from Karl's comments of incredulity toward meat eating, was more of a personal back and forth between him and I. A righteous frustration that is directed mostly at ourselves for having taken so long to make a change to the way we treat other sentient beings. I didn't take the leap to vegetarianism until I was 25, and I didn't become a vegan until several months later. But this isn't a "smug" contest. I don't feel like I'm better than Karl (or you, or anyone else for that matter) just because I changed my behavior earlier than him. How trite... and I'd be an arrogant asshole if I did think so! I think we're justified to figuratively slap one another in the face for what we both presently understand to be immature behavior. I feel shame at taking so long to "wake up", and the only way you would ever really understand this is to undergo the transformation yourself. I hope you do change your behavior someday Plague Doctor, but you must do so in your own time :)

    I can't undo the damage that I did to those poor animals. If I could apologize to each of them personally in a hypothetical afterlife, it would take me ages to take each one aside to ask their forgiveness... but I would definitely do so anyway.

    Remember the antinatal perspective in this. Farm animals are born solely for the purpose of being killed and consumed. It would be better for them if they had never been born. Really, isn't that the heart of the matter?

    Shadow: Right on bro!

  20. Plague Doctor -

    I was referring to the rape rack and the gut-churning implementation of artificial insemination that is practiced in the farming industry, including the places where you get your meat.

    It's kind of surprising you are accusing people of smugness. I am also disappointed that you would say "ethical vegetarians would convince more people if they weren't as SMUG". You really should know better given the sorts of reactions and personal attacks on your character you encounter from people on a regular basis when you try to make antinatalist arguments and make it clear that you have concerns about the welfare of beings other than yourself.

    As far as your belief that eating meat and having a zero-carb diet is medically necessary for you: it is a risky business to assume that you can accurately evaluate the benefits of a diet or treatment when you lack specialized training in these areas. A person without such training should be especially skeptical of fringe claims about nutrition that are not backed up by empirical studies and are made by a person with no relevant credentials, as far as I can tell. Not to mention the fact that this person has a financial interest in your believing his claims so that you would buy products from a store he's affiliated with.

    As far as the meat you eat coming from animals that were raised on pastures - that may very well be total BS. There is no legal definition of "grass-fed". All certifications, including the USDA certification, are voluntary. Texas Grass-Fed Beef does not claim to have any
    certification, so trusting them about the source of their cattle's feed is rather naive.

    Even the USDA certification is pretty worthless. You can get it even if you confine your cattle for 6 months out of the year because they only require pasture access during the growing season. Here's more info if you're interested.

    I really don't want to derail this wonderful thread, but I think the above needs to be said in the interest of truth and accuracy. Hopefully, we'll see you around, PD.

  21. Garrett: Yeah, Gnosticism has a certain appeal, although I must admit that the most satisfactory philosophical system I've ever immersed myself in is that of Schopenhauer. I'd recommend 'The World as Will and Representation' to anyone who has antinatalist convictions.

    Re. vegetarianism, I agree entirely. I am genuinely amazed it took me so long to realise the horror of meat-eating. I'm still short of being vegan, unfortunately, but hopefully I can get there one day. And yes, it would take many, many years to beg forgiveness from the animals I've consumed over the years.

    CM: Thanks for all the points re.vegetarianism. I can only say that I share all of your sentiments. I also suspect that there could be an innate link between antinatalism and vegetarianism, ie. reduction of suffering. If you believe that it's ok to raise animals for slaughter and consumption, then it's hard to see how you could complain about people bringing kids into the world for their own gratification. It's telling that a friend of mine recognises the moral and intellectual strengths of both antinatalism and vegetarianism but still eats meat and is a father. Sadly, that kind of cognitive dissonance helps explain why the world is the hellhole it is.

  22. The Plague Doctor24 June 2011 at 09:41

    Okay, fair enough; One more comment then.


    Doctors only receive a short period of training on matters of nutrition during their studies; most of it is instead focused on the triad of "cutting, burning, and poisoning", as the saying goes. Besides, don't get me started about doctors: I've encountered literally a dozen doctors after I got ill three years ago, and I wouldn´t entrust the life of a house plant to any of those incompetent and sadistic white coats, let alone entrust them with my own life; I've cured my two (!) autoimmune diseases, (and a number of other conditions) considered incurable by the medical profession, by following the Dr. Jonathan Wright's instructions: my severe pain and huge skin rashes on my back completely disappeared and my severely raised antibody counts went to normal: his book (not diet-related, though) tells about the monumental FARCE that is the current medical approach to autoimmune (and other) diseases in the last half century.


    (LOL at a vegan calling someone else's diet "fringe".)

    What do you know about it? I have personlly experienced the seriously debilitating effects of carbs on my mood and digestion (especially due to fructose malabsorption and fiber), which no number of studies can wave away. I was sold the LIE that fructose and fiber are healthy, even though my digestive system was telling me the exact opposite (abdominal bloating, loose stools, diarrhea, etc.), often leaving me unable to attend classes and other public events. Dr. Mark Pimentel explains in his book on IBS, how gut bacteria preferentially metabolize carboydrates, creating gases and osmotic diarrhea, and he therefore recommends sticking to a life-long low-carb/high-fat diet that avoids things like fiber (cellulose), fructose, sucrose, lactose, and artificial sweeteners, which basically rules out most fruits, vegetables. nuts, grains and seeds... but then he BACKPEDALS to squeeze his recommendations into the prevailing nutritional dogma, and recommends small amounts of fruit and neolithic starches (potatoes, rice, and white bread) and other crap, because like doctors most he apparently doezn't know that these things are completely unnecessary.

    Please don't do this ad hominem nonsense about "specialized training", "qualifications" and "credentials", that's not an argument, nor about what advertisments someone places on his site (which he introduced only after several years, anyway). Besides, during my period of disability, I've been reading almost non-stop various about health and nutrition in the last several years (mostly related to digestion, though).

    Also, I never said zero carb is "necessary"; necessary for what? I know you can survive on a high carb diet, but I think it is sub-optimal.
    The medical studies have all been done. You can take a look at the huge amount of references to the scientific literature in the back of the ground-breaking book "Good Calories, Bad Calories", which tells about ANOTHER monumental farce, that of the official dietary advice. The Nurses Study, for example, is one of the largest in its kind. The safety of a zero carb diet has been documented decades ago in the (in)famous papers titled "Clinical Calorimetry". Only the totally carnivorous indiginous populations have the lowest rates of tooth decay. Ketogenic diets (i.e., zero carb or very low carb) are also successfully used in the treatment of epilepsy, cancer, diabetes and other conditions (just google ketogenic). My father painfully and slowly died of glioblastoma multiforme, a malignant brain tumor which turns out to be treatable using a ketogenic diet, because the cancer cells can feed on carbs but not on fat, so nutritionists can go EAT SHIT.

    1. "I have personlly experienced the seriously debilitating effects of carbs on my mood and digestion"

      Again, ditto. I agree with every word of this.

    2. Not just the par I quoted. The entire post.

  23. The Plague Doctor24 June 2011 at 10:02

    [Second post attempt; please delete if duplicate.]

    (Split due to comment length restriction.)

    CM: "As far as the meat you eat coming from animals that were raised on pastures - that may very well be total BS."

    No, you are the one spreading BS. I only linked to Slankers's site as an example, because this is an English-speaking audience: I could have mentioned suppliers from my own country, but those would be incomprehensible to you. If you must know, I stopped eating all store-bought and factory-farmed meat in 2009, and currently order all my meat in bulk directly from a trusted nearby supplier who delivers it personally to my door. I actually know the exact location where the animals are grazing on pasture: you can go look at them with your OWN EYES because it serves a double function as a kind of nature reserve. Galloways are a semi-wild race and you couldn't keep them in small cages even if you wanted to. I was also already well aware that the certification system is a scam (you can get meat certified as "biological" even if you feed them grain, because ít's "biological" grain...), which is why it took me some time to find a source that actually does keep the animals in pastures throughout their life.

    But all of this is really completely irrelevant to the argument, because, again, eating dead tissue is not the same as mistreating live animals, so why do vegetarians conflate animal welfare or breeding with the eating of meat? this is a red herring. Otherwise one could argue that because nutritional supplements are mostly manufactured in Asia by laborers under poor working conditions (think iPod factory suicides), you should not buy supplements.

    The animals would breed just as much by themselves if you set them loose, so to prevent breeding you would have to kill them. I would rather argue that there is an innate link between negative utilitarianism and non-vegetarianism. Feeding future generations of people requires breeding. One can go extinct oneself, while consuming the existing members of animal species to extinction, so thay too may enjoy the negative bliss the dodo is currently enjoying. None of this requires forced breeding of animals.

    Anyway, I might as well mention here, that at I am just about to take some indefinite time off from participating in all of the (antinatalist) blog community in general. (Though I might still check in from time to time.) The reason is that I currently need to devote all my time to getting the shambles of my life back together after a large lacuna of disease and unemployability, and I'm currently feeling totally overwhelmed.

  24. Plague Doctor: Good to see your comment. I'm not going to say anything about your own experiences and medical history as I respect that you're the only person who can speak confidently about that.

    As for the philosophical aspects of vegetarianism, I'm a bit confused by your comments. A lot of animals are deliberately bred for slaughter and there's no getting away from that fact. Is this morally acceptable?

    I'm also not sure about the thrust of your comment regarding future generations. Are you saying there's a duty to breed animals to feed future generations? The whole thrust of antinatalism is to argue against the creation of those generations, so I'm not sure of the connection. Again, it's probably my fault.

    Anyway, best of luck with getting yourself together, and whatever about our differences on meat consumption I hope to see you about on the different blogs.

  25. This was by far one of the most sincere posts I've read in a a long time, well-written, too.
    It reminded me of Cioran, who has always been quite poor and saw himself as an idler, a man without occupation (in an interview with Jason Weiss).

    I saved these quotes in a txt file. Unfortunately, I do not know the source anymore, but it fits: „Ciroran lived in hotel attics, ate at student cafeterias, refused to work, and consequently earned no money. His supreme goal was to live as a parasite in the sense of Sartre’s description of Baudelaire – and, by extension, of the artist in general – as a parasite and social outcast: a man who no longer belonged to his original class whatsoever, living at the expense of the wealthy.“; „I live in an attic, I eat in a student cafeteria, I have no profession – and naturally, I make no money. I can’t really complain about the fate that made it so that until the age of 35 I have been free to live on the fringes of society. My reasoning has been quite simple: when it no longer works, I’ll shoot myself.“

    Also, a quote from "The Trouble with Being Born" comes to mind: "'Do I look like someone who has something to do here on earth?' -- That's what I'd like to answer the busybodies who inquire into my activities."

    I can relate to your comment regarding welfare. Work is certainly another holy cow.

    Thank you for writing this.

  26. @anonymous Thanks for the comment, much appreciated. I'm a massive Cioran fan, and think it a travesty that he's not better known in the English-speaking world, but I guess the reasons are fairly obvious. Wonderful quote from TTWBB also, that's my favourite book of his. If you can read French to any level, I heartily recommend 'Cioran: entretiens avec Sylvie Jadeau' a book of conversations where he discusses on several occassions his lifestyle and renunciation of work. It's quite easy to pick through with the help of a dictionary.

    Thanks again.

  27. Cioran is the bomb!
    He is a maverick, as he said himself. =)

  28. Who can love work these days? You got shitloads of working hours, boring and tiresome pieces of work, and pratically no pay. The world is making the working class its bitch. I would be dammned if I agreed with Marx, but he is fucking right!

  29. Hence my loathing of work, Shadow! It really does seem as if the aim of those in power is to do nothing except make the entire population poorly-paid slaves. What a world!

  30. I haven't worked in over 3 years and never will again.

    Heartbreak was part of that, as was disgust with a job where I tried to do the right, honest, even legal thing, and the company didn't, but spouted off as if they did and wanted to ...

    And I've toyed with the idea of getting a job, even spent an afternoon at a job search intake centre once. All for naught. I have a beautiful self-marketing plan in place if I actually wanted a job.

    But I'll never work again, I know that.

    Since all my resources are gone, next step? Eternal peace.

  31. I don't understand how you can stay on welfare so long. I am in the UK and they are getting tougher and tougher on benefit claimants, to the point it id becoming worse than being employed (depending on the job.) I was on benefits for 7 years due to depression caused by the pointlessness of life and realisation I would have to be a wage slave. The last year or two they have really made life worse for me, to try and force me off them, increasing conditions of claiming etc. I also find it really hard to live on £70-£100 a week and only manage to living rent free with my parents. I hate how we are forced to spend so much time working just to have food and shelter, like you said, no one asked to come here and we deserve the means to survive. I just don't see how most of us can escape wage slavery without killing ourselves (something I have wanted to do many times), we all need some money.

    1. In Ireland they give you 185 euros a week and you can apply for rent also. And they also don't give you much grief or pressure to find work. Maybe you should think about emigrating: people are friendly and a lot less stressful than the UK. Best of luck to you!